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What are your controversial Star Trek opinions?

Not sure if this is really a controversial opinion or not, but I've always disliked the use of a temporal prime directive and temporal "police" agencies. I consider both concepts problematic in a number of ways, although to be fair they can also work well in some circumstances.
 
I get that it's ingrained in the franchise. I'm fine with occasional use, but it just felt overused... particularly after Brannon Braga came aboard.

(That's honestly my biggest gripe with him... his overreliance on time travel for episodes.)
 
Time travel was part of episode 3 of TOS. It was used throughout TOS. I get some people can be sick of it but IMHO it's been there since the beginning as is as legitimate part of the show as shuttlecraft (which didn't come along until later:lol:)
Gary Mitchell had many powers, but I don't think time travel was one of them ;)
 
Done right I'm fine with it.

At least DSC Season 3 didn't use a reset button and prevent The Burn from ever happening. That alone earns the series kudos from me for not doing what many of us thought they might.
 
Done right I'm fine with it.

At least DSC Season 3 didn't use a reset button and prevent The Burn from ever happening. That alone earns the series kudos from me for not doing what many of us thought they might.

Well, they didn't do that with the Xindy either on Enterprise... They could have just ended with the attack never happened and Trip meeting his sister (there was time travel involved in the story after all) but they didn't... For all the good it did them anyway...
 
I just look at the Xindi probe attack as temporal predestination. It always happened and was always going to happen so there was never an alternate timeline created. Kirk in TOS would have had the Xindi attack in his historical computer files and Archer's role in the crisis.

I'm glad they didn't reset in either ENT or DSC. Sometimes history just needs to stay the way it's presented because it's the smarter and more dramatically-impactful choice.
 
I just look at the Xindi probe attack as temporal predestination. It always happened and was always going to happen so there was never an alternate timeline created. Kirk in TOS would have had the Xindi attack in his historical computer files and Archer's role in the crisis.

I'm glad they didn't reset in either ENT or DSC. Sometimes history just needs to stay the way it's presented because it's the smarter and more dramatically-impactful choice.

Didn’t Daniels say in his timeline the Xindi attack never happened.
 
Maybe in his. ;) But it was likely always in the history books in the "Prime" Timeline(the live-action series, TAS, the first ten movies).
 
I agree. Time travel has been done too much in STAR TREK.

I don't mind so much time travel and temporal stories by themselves, so much as the idea that a future Federation will have "time cops" as seen on VOY to protect the "proper" version of history. Mainly because I think that level of technology is too prone to abuse if it's used by some less ethical faction, and because of the assumption that only one version of history can be proper.

I forget the exact episode at the moment, but there's the one where Voyager has do deal with an evil, insane Braxton from a possible future as a result of his earlier contact with the ship. Which leads into a scene where the present version of Braxton (who is not dangerously insane) is arrested by his partner for the crimes his future self is "going" to commit.

From the perspective of a historian, it's been my experience that a lot of the fun is in the smaller details and how they interact to form a larger picture. There are many essentially great events throughout history, but no event happens because it seems preordained. Rather, the results are significant because the small details could have just as easily caused a much different outcome. Gettysburg was a crucial victory during the American civil war because the Union ultimately won, but they almost didn't win. They succeeded instead of failing, and that success allowed them to gain an essential momentum that would help in the final victory.
 
I don't mind so much time travel and temporal stories by themselves, so much as the idea that a future Federation will have "time cops" as seen on VOY to protect the "proper" version of history. Mainly because I think that level of technology is too prone to abuse if it's used by some less ethical faction, and because of the assumption that only one version of history can be proper.

I forget the exact episode at the moment, but there's the one where Voyager has do deal with an evil, insane Braxton from a possible future as a result of his earlier contact with the ship. Which leads into a scene where the present version of Braxton (who is not dangerously insane) is arrested by his partner for the crimes his future self is "going" to commit.

From the perspective of a historian, it's been my experience that a lot of the fun is in the smaller details and how they interact to form a larger picture. There are many essentially great events throughout history, but no event happens because it seems preordained. Rather, the results are significant because the small details could have just as easily caused a much different outcome. Gettysburg was a crucial victory during the American civil war because the Union ultimately won, but they almost didn't win. They succeeded instead of failing, and that success allowed them to gain an essential momentum that would help in the final victory.


It's called "Relativity" it's episode 24 of the fifth season.
 
As I said before I have trouble seeing Star Trek IV as being very accessible to non-Trek fans.
You would be wrong there. STIV was the most successful of the movies since TMP (until ST '09 came along) and it had huge crossover appeal with the general public. It was successful for the same reason that Back to the Future was successful: You didn't need to be a big science fiction fan to get all the fish out of water jokes about the heroes being out of their proper time period.
 
I agree Star Trek has too many time travel episodes, and many of the time travel episodes aren't good. I disagree about a Temporal Prime Directive being a bad idea. I think it makes a lot of sense to ban interfering with the past. I think the regular Prime Directive is a bad idea. I have seen over 400 episodes of Star Trek, and I can't think of one where the Prime Directive did any good.
 
Star Trek: the Adoration of the Space Hippies didn't test well in overseas markets, so they had to come up with a snappier title.
I'm tempted to find the name of an existing hippie song for a good sub-title, but sadly this is not my forte. Fortunately, I know someone who's better qualified than I am to come up with something, if he's willing to help. ;)

@The Old Mixer
 
I'm tempted to find the name of an existing hippie song for a good sub-title, but sadly this is not my forte. Fortunately, I know someone who's better qualified than I am to come up with something, if he's willing to help. ;)

@The Old Mixer

Star Trek: Feelin’ Groovy

I know it’s not called that, but still sounds good.
 
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