Spoilers Star Trek: Discovery 3x12 - "There Is A Tide…"

[Noname Given]

Yes. I've seen the episode. Thank you.



Yet ships seem to have no problem getting around, regardless.



Again, yes. I've seen the episodes.



I'm well aware of what the series has shown us. That's not what I'm disputing. It's what they haven't shown us or developed further that can make the material more interesting, hence my original post. A lot is revealed in that negotiation scene about both sides that only raises more questions that wouldn't have to be asked if the world had been properly developed beyond what we are only given fleeting glances of.

Discovery, itself, can be a conduit to better develop and reveal what's going on out there and be used to give Starfleet a better idea of the full status of the Federation and, as I said, re-establish contact with those swaths that are cut off.

Well considering you started your post off with: "Another big disappointment is the near-complete lack of world building the series has done this year."

Gee I don't know how I could have assumed you didn't think there was any world building being done in Star Trek Discovery season 3.

They did quite a bit of world building; there's no lack of it. That they didn't comment on some things that you were intrigued about, I can understand; but that's different from a "complete lack of world building."

 

[RAMA]

An improvement over Ep 11, Osyraa is actually a visionary, who'd have thunk it? This improves both the last episode and this arc for me in general. The Emerald Chain hasn't been the best adversary, but Osyraa has at least made it worthwhile for me now and the finale may improve upon that.

To me the central interest was the negotiations in the episode, and I was surprised they had the screen time they did, as well as the content. I was so intrigued by it, I didn't really note the "Die Hard" part of the episode, though having not seen it in at least 25 years, I'm reliably told it pays very close homage to it. Admiral Vance has proven to be an excellent addition to the characters this year.

I'm still interested in the Burn, but now I'm more interested in the future implications; IE does the galaxy get the Nebula planet's stores of it, and how does that play out with the child still there?

I'm convinced the majority of plot lines will not be tied up in season 3, and since this is a whole new milieu for the crew, I'm kind of happy they didn't, there's a lot more to explore with characters and background.

Season 4 will certainly involve at least something about the rebuild of the Federation and taking the long view. A more advanced but newly "wild west" Discovery.

Rating: 8.25/10

RAMA

 

[Zod]

I LOVED that they slowed down enough to give the villain more depth. In fact they surprised me with it enough that I was impressed. People want to complain about worldbuilding, but that IS worldbuilding. Learning about the people who live in the universe you want to portray. We learned more about this new universe.

Those robots sure looked "cute", I don't know maybe I am having a baby yoda hangover lol....Interested to see what they do with them.

I keep reading the comparisons to Die Hard...I had that moment too when the bad dude was talking to her, not knowing who she was or where exactly. Good stuff.

Overall good episode I give it a 7/10 and much better then last weeks.

 

[Amasov]

Well considering you started your post off with: "Another big disappointment is the near-complete lack of world building the series has done this year."

Gee I don't know how I could have assumed you didn't think there was any world building being done in Star Trek Discovery season 3.

They did quite a bit of world building; there's no lack of it. That they didn't comment on some things that you were intrigued about, I can understand; but that's different from a "complete lack of world building."

I'm ok to disagree.

 

[jackoverfull]

I'm really growing weary of every season being "Galaxy in jeopardy" stories. Next year, they should just do a series of 1-2 part shows visiting various worlds and working on stringing the Fed back together. Jump out to that remote starbase trading post. Visit a world or two from old Treks to see how they've changed. Let us see some of the stuff that happened in the intervening 700 years, maybe even some temporal war holdover stuff. I'd find that completely interesting.

this could be interesting

 

[Nyotarules]

Got a question: Why did we never hear about this constant crying shit during the first two seasons? Is it because now that it's not a prequel, doesn't have TOS characters, or new Klingons, they're zeroing in on and fine-tuning the Burnham Hate? Because this shit's getting old.

Wonder if these same fans complained that TNG Picard drank too much hot Earl Grey, every damn episode for 7 seasons...

 

[Nyotarules]

I should stop watching this show, but a bit like like not being able to look away from a car wreck...

Oded Fehr - a brilliant actor - having to explain that they're eating shit. That's what we've come to. That's a joke from the Orville really.

Super Burnham being supery super and cauterising her own wounds as there's nothing she can't do. A Starfleet ship that if you break a censor will throw crew out into space without any thought. B-rated ex Stargate characters (and I say that as someone who enjoyed SG). If anything it feels like a show like Dark Matter. Cute droids coming to the rescue of Ensign Crusher/Adele. Geeze.

It's high on pew pew pew and absurd character who aren't even part of the crew because writing GOOD, COMPELLING HUMANS is hard. It's always been hard in Star trek. Discovery just gave up. or it never tried.

These are mostly just random thoughts as I can't even hold enough interest to actually review this crap.

This was the franchise that gave us City on the Edge of Forever, The Drumhead, Duet and more.

Not only is it sad for Star Trek... but it's sad for humanity. That this mental gruel is being fed to people as a society.

So we'll see you back here on Friday after the Netflix viewing?

 

[Noname Given]

Wonder if these same fans complained that TNG Picard drank too much hot Earl Grey, every damn episode for 7 seasons...

Funny that no one complained how 'innately British/English' The French born Captain John-Luc Picard was back in 1987. His accents sure screamed French...oh, wait...

 

[Lord Garth]

I don't think there needs to be any rush with "world building". DSC's staying in the 32nd Century for the rest of its run. They'll introduce what they want to introduce to us one piece at a time, as it makes sense to in the story and the openings exist for it.

It's impossible to make the 32nd Century as developed as the 23rd Century and especially the 24th Century in just 13 episodes. If they even tried to (and you can't, mathematically), the complaint would be DSC is doing everything too fast. Or even more fast. We all know that's exactly what would happen.

Communication and travel isn't what it used to be in the 32nd Century anyway. So if large swaths of the galaxy are cut off from each other, we wouldn't easily be able to find out all there is to know about it yet.

I want to know more about what happened to the other 90% of the Federation that's no longer in contact with Starfleet Command. But they'll get to it when they get to it.

 

[Crusher Disciple]

Funny that no one complained how 'innately British/English' The French born Captain John-Luc Picard was back in 1987. His accents sure screamed French...oh, wait...

Ah, oui- he was appropriately sinister!

This episode was obviously not written for me, which is okay since they gave me Unification Part III earlier in the season. I feel like they're rushing to get in too much kewl stuff at the end, which is maddening given how much they crapped around the first 1-3 episodes. They could have broken up finding the dilithium nebula with a Kelpin and Osyrra sneaking into Starfleet and it wouldn't have felt so cobbed up (it's a Southern saying) to me.

I know Ryn isn't a series regular, but I was really upset to see him go. It was a Tasha Yar-esque senseless death to me, but at least he died a hero. No more makeout sessions between takes with Mary next season.

Are we going to get an explanation as to why every outsider to the holo program has to be rendered as a different alien species, other than the fact that we get to see Doug Jones adorable face for once? (YAY!!!) It just seems silly to me.

Finally, the Wall-E/ Mac and Me scene with the Sphere data just made me cringe. At least they seeded it earlier with the "bit of code" line. I'll give them that, but it was just too precious for me to keep me from wanting to roll my eyes.

So....no, not my favorite of the season, but I have to give it to the show overall because they had the cajones to want to do something different and go into a different direction. It just didn't wrap up (so far) as well as I expected to given how brilliant and gutsy it has been over the season. If there were about 4-5 more episodes in the season, maybe, but this just seemed like they're throwing the kitchen sink into the finale.

 

[Vger23]

Ah, oui- he was appropriately sinister!

This episode was obviously not written for me, which is okay since they gave me Unification Part III earlier in the season. I feel like they're rushing to get in too much kewl stuff at the end, which is maddening given how much they crapped around the first 1-3 episodes. They could have broken up finding the dilithium nebula with a Kelpin and Osyrra sneaking into Starfleet and it wouldn't have felt so cobbed up (it's a Southern saying) to me.

I know Ryn isn't a series regular, but I was really upset to see him go. It was a Tasha Yar-esque senseless death to me, but at least he died a hero. No more makeout sessions between takes with Mary next season.

Are we going to get an explanation as to why every outsider to the holo program has to be rendered as a different alien species, other than the fact that we get to see Doug Jones adorable face for once? (YAY!!!) It just seems silly to me.

Finally, the Wall-E/ Mac and Me scene with the Sphere data just made me cringe. At least they seeded it earlier with the "bit of code" line. I'll give them that, but it was just too precious for me to keep me from wanting to roll my eyes.

So....no, not my favorite of the season, but I have to give it to the show overall because they had the cajones to want to do something different and go into a different direction. It just didn't wrap up (so far) as well as I expected to given how brilliant and gutsy it has been over the season. If there were about 4-5 more episodes in the season, maybe, but this just seemed like they're throwing the kitchen sink into the finale.

It’s interesting that you feel the finale seems like it’s rushed, because I have the exact opposite feeling, especially given the cram-festival that the previous two finales were.

Also- I have a feeling that, unlike the last two seasons...not everything is going to resolve next week. So that may also be a factor.

Should be interesting...

 

[Crusher Disciple]

It’s interesting that you feel the finale seems like it’s rushed, because I have the exact opposite feeling, especially given the cram-festival that the previous two finales were.

Also- I have a feeling that, unlike the last two seasons...not everything is going to resolve next week. So that may also be a factor.

Should be interesting...

Oh, crap- I didn't even think about that. If you guys think I'm whiny now, wait 'till that happens.

 

[fireproof78]

It’s interesting that you feel the finale seems like it’s rushed, because I have the exact opposite feeling, especially given the cram-festival that the previous two finales were.

Also- I have a feeling that, unlike the last two seasons...not everything is going to resolve next week. So that may also be a factor.

Should be interesting...

Yeah, expecting everything to wrap up this episode is likely an unrealistic expectation.

 

[cooleddie74]

Considering that nothing wrapped up neatly in either the Season 1 or Season 2 cliffhangers you're absolutely right. This will not be a neat, pretty bow on the previous 13 episodes.

 

[jackoverfull]

Communication and travel isn't what it used to be in the 32nd Century anyway.

but they seem to travel and communicate just fine when the plot demands. Oh well.

It’s interesting that you feel the finale seems like it’s rushed, because I have the exact opposite feeling, especially given the cram-festival that the previous two finales were.

If they wrap up the burn, Osyraa and retake discovery it will be rushed for sure. And Gabriel is going to appear too...

Also- I have a feeling that, unlike the last two seasons...not everything is going to resolve next week. So that may also be a factor.

This would change what I wrote above...but I suspect it won’t be the case.

Considering that nothing wrapped up neatly in either the Season 1 or Season 2 cliffhangers

well, sort of: each season has basically been a new start so far, whatever was dropped was mostly forgotten by the writers, not used in the following season.

And the S1 cliffhanger was mostly a cameo: “here, see the enterprise! Cool, eh? Now we’ll think of something to use her.”

 

[ITDUDE]

I don't think there needs to be any rush with "world building". DSC's staying in the 32nd Century for the rest of its run.

2400, they will meet up with Picard. You heard it here first

 

[TimeIsAPredator]

2400, they will meet up with Picard. You heard it here first

Picard and Burnham will do a personal log rap battle

 

[Tim Thomason]

If they wrap up the burn, Osyraa and retake discovery it will be rushed for sure. And Gabriel is going to appear too...

Wait, Gabriel will show up? Or do you mean Gabrielle? Or both?

 

[Lord Garth]

but they seem to travel and communicate just fine when the plot demands. Oh well.

The plot demands they communicate with people in their range.

The only time Starfleet Command has been able to make contact with anyone outside of their range is through Discovery. Discovery finds the coordinates, uses the Spore Drive, and jumps to that previously out of range location, then makes contact with them.

Vance has limited Discovery's activities by keeping them grounded, since he doesn't want to risk the Spore Drive. As we've seen in this episode, outside knowledge of the Spore Drive before they were able to duplicate it bit them in the ass.

 

[jackoverfull]

Wait, Gabriel will show up? Or do you mean Gabrielle? Or both?

Gabrielle.

The plot demands they communicate with people in their range.

The only time Starfleet Command has been able to make contact with anyone outside of their range is through Discovery. Discovery finds the coordinates, uses the Spore Drive, and jumps to that previously out of range location, then makes contact with them

when they travel to a supposedly far away planet to solve Georgiu’s problem they can communicate in real-time with HQs, somehow.