Spoilers Ah, the NEW uniforms...!

[Markonian]

For its faults, I think FASA made a good effort with what they had to work with. Some aspects of their Trekverse are rather silly, even within the context of a single product... the TNG Officer's Manual can't seem to decide on exactly what the relationship is between the Federation and the Klingon Empire, save that the two are now actually part of a single allied government. This government is already building lots of new hybrid technology vessels, even though the shift in political power is also apparently bringing the role of Starfleet itself into question according to one chapter.

I do feel that, relative to the utopian aspects that Gene wanted in early TNG, FASA was a bit more true to the idea of Trek being more of a space western/naval adventure in ways.

Probably building something like... the Khitomer-class:
https://sto.gamepedia.com/File:A.F.S._Khitomer.png

 

[fireproof78]

Probably building something like... the Khitomer-class:
https://sto.gamepedia.com/File:A.F.S._Khitomer.png

Not bad.

 

[jackoverfull]

Not bad.

Worse?

 

[fireproof78]

Worse?

Honestly, aside from the Discovery Klingon designs this is one of the few Klingon inspired ship designs I can tolerate.

 

[jackoverfull]

missing a 't?

 

[fireproof78]

Nope.

 

[jackoverfull]

Asking because I found the discovery Klingon vessels to possibly be the ugliest ship ever seen on Star Trek.

 

[NCC-73515]

The BoP is extremely ugly; the DaSpu' looks more like a Borg probe and just strange; the raider, Qugh and Sech look ok, but not very Klingon either; the batlh, tlhapqa' and Qatlh look ok, but just a bit odd; the chargh, jach, veqlargh, jejHa', Qoj, and sarcophagus are ok; the cleave ship looks good but seems stupid for space battle; and the S2 D7 looks good

 

[fireproof78]

Asking because I found the discovery Klingon vessels to possibly be the ugliest ship ever seen on Star Trek.

Their ugliness is part of the appeal for me. It's supposed to be an alien culture. Why should I find it aesthetically pleasing?

 

[DEWLine]

Different Klingon Houses, different schools of spacecraft architecture...

 

[Dukhat]

Different Klingon Houses, different schools of spacecraft architecture...

I could buy that theory if every other Klingon ship from every other era didn’t share the same design attributes. DSC season 1 was the only time they had 15 or so different types of ships that looked nothing like what came before or after. It also didn’t help that the Klingons themselves looked nothing like what came before or after.

 

[fireproof78]

Different Klingon Houses, different schools of spacecraft architecture...

Yup. That is why I like it. It feels like an expansion of designs, and added to the history of the Empire, rather them feeling like they've used the same ship design with only minor variants for the last several centuries.

The Klingons felt like a real culture with variation.

 

[Nerys Myk]

I could buy that theory if every other Klingon ship from every other era didn’t share the same design attributes. DSC season 1 was the only time they had 15 or so different types of ships that looked nothing like what came before or after. It also didn’t help that the Klingons themselves looked nothing like what came before or after.

I'll give you the ships but not the Klingons themselves. They're clearly an extrapolation of what was started in TMP.

 

[Dukhat]

I'll give you the ships but not the Klingons themselves. They're clearly an extrapolation of what was started in TMP.

Except they started out looking like TNG Klingons in ENT, then these things, then TOS Klingons, then TMP (and I would argue that the TNG Klingons, not the DSC Klingons, were the extrapolation of the TMP Klingons. Other than ridged foreheads, there isn’t much similarity between a TMP Klingon and a DSC Klingon). So there’s no rhyme or reason to the order. Which is what happens when one makes prequels to older works while still adhering to the production values of the newer works.

 

[Nerys Myk]

Except they started out looking like TNG Klingons in ENT, then these things, then TOS Klingons, then TMP (and I would argue that the TNG Klingons, not the DSC Klingons, were the extrapolation of the TMP Klingons. Other than ridged foreheads, there isn’t much similarity between a TMP Klingon and a DSC Klingon). So there’s no rhyme or reason to the order. Which is what happens when one makes prequels to older works while still adhering to the production values of the newer works.

The order in universe is irrelevant. There is a clear evolution production wise, with an emphasis on the things that make Klingons "alien": boney ridges and gnarly teeth. Sometimes they pull back on that, such as in TUC, but it's always there.

 

[Dukhat]

The order in universe is irrelevant. There is a clear evolution production wise, with an emphasis on the things that make Klingons "alien": boney ridges and gnarly teeth. Sometimes they pull back on that, such as in TUC, but it's always there.

I completely disagree. Where was it in TOS? And why do DSC Klingons look like hairless lobsters when they looked like humans with ridged foreheads and long hair in two series that take place before and after DSC?

 

[fireproof78]

The order in universe is irrelevant. There is a clear evolution production wise, with an emphasis on the things that make Klingons "alien": boney ridges and gnarly teeth. Sometimes they pull back on that, such as in TUC, but it's always there.

This is my view. Partly treating it like Gene as "they always looked like that."

 

[Markonian]

Let's get back to discussing the future uniforms, please.

 

[Nerys Myk]

I completely disagree. Where was it in TOS? And why do DSC Klingons look like hairless lobsters when they looked like humans with ridged foreheads and long hair in two series that take place before and after DSC?

As I said the in universe order is irrelevant. The first step in making the Klingons alien was in TMP, the birth of the lobster heads. There is a pre production drawing showing the TMP Klingons were intended to be even more “Lobster”, almost to the DISCO level.

 

[Dukhat]

After finally watching the episode and getting more context for the teaching holograms, it’s my opinion that the woman in the blue Starfleet uniform with the TNG commbadge was meant to represent a Starfleet officer from immediately before the other Vulcan officer in the gray and red uniform. There would be no reason to use a teaching hologram of someone wearing a uniform from post-TMP/pre-TNG.