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Spoilers Star Trek: Discovery 3x12 - "There Is A Tide…"

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Anyone else really confused at the "You can't replicate the spore drive" bit?

Stamets is the drives literal creator, so the only way Starfleet shouldn't be able to replicate it is if Stamets refuses to actually write up blueprints for the damn things...
 
The episode doesn't fix all the issues from "Su'kal", but it is a major improvement and a pretty good story.

Vance is a solid character. Liked his interactions with Osyraa. The more Federation/Starfleet, the better the ep, IMHO.

That said, maybe they should have cut the deal with the Emerald Chain? Better than an open conflict, no? And the armistice was far from bad given Vance's reaction.

Good to know there are still some deep space stations operating out there.

Burnham and Tilly didn't annoy me this week. Stamets lack of professionalism did.

The Sphere data taking so long to manifest itself was frustrating too. Better late than never, I suppose.

Here's hoping for the Ni'var task force to show up next week.

8/10
 
Anyone else really confused at the "You can't replicate the spore drive" bit?

Stamets is the drives literal creator, so the only way Starfleet shouldn't be able to replicate it is if Stamets refuses to actually write up blueprints for the damn things...

Yes, it's a bit plot convenient but remember that on DS9 they had to go on a scavenger hunt to Ds9's sister station because certain Cardassian parts couldn't be replicated.
 
I'm calling it now, Osyrra and Mitchell's character are married.
He mentioned kids too. Imagine after years of marriage and kids finding out that your wife is a psychotic, murdering dictator.

Honestly though, he doesn't strike me as her type (to put it mildly) so we'll see.
 
I don't think they are married. I was thinking that at first, but when Aurelio (?) went into his backstory it came across to me that Osyraa was much older than she looked and was more like a mentor or protector for him than a spouse. Also, at the end of the episode, his disappointment felt more like someone being disappointed in a role model than a husband disappointed in their wife.
 
Mitchell is playing Invigilator Aurelio. I only suspect it because it seemed odd to out of nowhere bring him in and almost immediately talk about how he married an Orion and had children. Plus the fact that Osyrra genuinely seemed to care about his well being. If he was simply just a scientist, why would she be worried about his seeing her actions on the bridge? If I were a betting man, they will use him to either convince her to stand down and give herself up for the treaty. Probably guilt her with their kids or something.

Also, have we at any point seen anything about Stamets adopting Adira or anything? I found it really odd and frankly kind of uncomfortable when he was talking about them as if they were his child. That's really presumptuous and frankly kind of weird if there hasn't been any previous conversations about it.
 
I am beginning to think as SOON AS A WOMAN makes a mistake she is attacked in Trek. Riker has fucked up plenty of time and so has Kirk, and I never hear that shit.
If Riker was an ensign promoted to XO then yes people would be critical.
You could also use Kira as an example but that wouldn't suit your narrative
 
As a standalone episode, it was good. I enjoyed it and was into the drama of the situation - which has been the case of many episodes this season, but, when I start to tie it back to the larger story, I get really frustrated.
 
Also, have we at any point seen anything about Stamets adopting Adira or anything? I found it really odd and frankly kind of uncomfortable when he was talking about them as if they were his child
He was trying to connect with the scientist who he knew had kids cause of his eardots
 
I was reminded more of WALL-E with the DOTS than whatever other Star franchise is out there.
Or these guys
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A few thoughts: Osyraa’s motives aren’t “pure”. My estimation is that the chain joining the Federation is a ruse to get dilithium.
Definitely. If Osyraa was well-intentioned, she wouldn't have taken Discovery hostage.

Someone “familiar” will be Federation President. Kovich?
I hope it's not him. He strikes me as more like a Dick Cheney or a Henry Kissinger. Someone shady and high-up, but would rather not actually be the President. (Before someone points it out, yes, I know Kissinger couldn't have become President regardless).
 
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I’m seeing where people are going with the idea that Discovery will be lost next week. I’m wondering if Zola “fakes her own death”, makes everyone think the ship has been destroyed in order to take it off the board, then hides for 1000 years as seen in that Short Trek. Meanwhile, crew gets new ship.
 
With Tilly and Burnham is used as ammo again and again.

Maybe just maybe they are unpopular characters with many fans a bit like Wesley or Harry Kim. I'm on some Sci-fi and Star Trek threads on multi platform sites and there is a serious dislike from casual fans who otherwise have proven themselves to be quite liberal and open-minded in politics threads

There were a few people in here who tried to drag everything down a sexist or homophobic hole. One lad KP Nuts in particular but I haven't seen anything like that here in a while and not from the people on this thread
 
Maybe just maybe they are unpopular characters with many fans a bit like Wesley or Harry Kim. I'm on some Sci-fi and Star Trek threads on multi platform sites and there is a serious dislike from casual fans who otherwise have proven themselves to be quite liberal and open-minded in politics threads

There were a few people in here who tried to drag everything down a sexist or homophobic hole. One lad KP Nuts in particular but I haven't seen anything like that here in a while and not from the people on this thread
A fair observation. I was simply observing that both types of criticism are out there, including sexist ones. It was not directed at anyone in particular. I'm not saying all criticisms are based around that but that I see more directed toward Burnham and Tilly.

And if fans don't like the characters that is just fine. No harm, no foul.
 
Anyone else really confused at the "You can't replicate the spore drive" bit?

Stamets is the drives literal creator, so the only way Starfleet shouldn't be able to replicate it is if Stamets refuses to actually write up blueprints for the damn things...
I don't really why anything built in the 2250s couldn't be sucessfully replicated 900 years later.
 
I don't really why anything built in the 2250s couldn't be sucessfully replicated 900 years later.
We still can't build Pyramids. And that's even longer ago, from where we are. So it's not unheard of.

Technology is lost over time and doesn't always progress linearly. And in this case, the knowledge for how to create the Spore Drive disappeared with Stamets. And that book was proverbially burned when Starfleet Command suppressed all information about it.
 
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