Spoilers Star Trek: Discovery 3x11 - "Su'Kal"

[ananta]

Do you have any examples of this at all? I see people roll this sort of line out regularly about Troi saying 'I sense hostility' about an attacking ship but I can't think of any examples.

Wondering if you can?

“Samaritan Snare” is a notable example— Troi warns that the Packleds are not what they seem and that Geordi is in great danger. Everyone ignores her, because otherwise the episode would be over.

 

[Discofan]

“Samaritan Snare” is a notable example— Troi warns that the Packleds are not what they seem and that Geordi is in great danger. Everyone ignores her, because otherwise the episode would be over.

The reason why they ignore her is that because she's often wrong or her advice amounts to nothing. Force of habit.

 

[NCC-73515]

Even quantum torpedoes were still pho-torps, and transphasic and chroniton torpedoes probably also had pho-torp tech at their cores

 

[TimeIsAPredator]

Why not superior tech than conceals your genetic ID?

True anything is possible

 

[fireproof78]

“Samaritan Snare” is a notable example— Troi warns that the Packleds are not what they seem and that Geordi is in great danger. Everyone ignores her, because otherwise the episode would be over.

How very unprofessional. Everyone knows that Starfleet officers are always consummate professionals and would never ignore an officer for the sake of drama, right?

 

[Jax]

Doug Jones is the best thing about this episode hands down.

He's probably the best actor and character on the entire show.

 

[JD]

Sorry to respond to such an old post, but this is the first chance I had to get on this thread so far today, and it's moving fast.

Well, it looks like they needed a physical connection to Discovery in order to make use of her Spore Drive, especially if they may have thought it would have taken time to adapt the Spore Drive to the Veridian (although, reverse engineering technology would probably be a piece of cake for 32nd century technology).In this particular instance, I think the writers just decided to go the stupid route, ignore all tech advancements, and just use grapplers to establish a physical connection to Discovery so they can use it to jump quickly.

The physical contact thing makes sense, I didn't think of that. I don't know if I'd say it was stupid though, just a bit unexpected.

That said, Osyraa is quite an idiot... why not simply use Disco to jump to her own HQ, adapt the Spore drive to her entire fleet (if the Emerald Chain even has one) and use it to gain a massive advantage over the Federation (who in all reality should have reversed engineered the Spore Drive by now and implemented it on all of its ships... I mean, come on, the 3 weeks spent on retrofitting the Discovery could have also been used to equip the entire Starfleet with the Spore Drive).

Its as if the writers are just CREATING massive plot holes left and right.

I don't think I'd go that far. The conflict between Starfleet and The Chain is moving pretty fast, so she probably wants to get in and attack them as quickly as possible, before they make a move against them. Taking to time to try to retrofit all of her ships with spore drives, if that's even possible, which we don't know for sure, would take time and give Starfleet time to get the advantage over her.

 

[fireproof78]

I don't think I'd go that far. The conflict between Starfleet and The Chain is moving pretty fast, so she probably wants to get in and attack them as quickly as possible, before they make a move against them. Taking to time to try to retrofit all of her ships with spore drives, if that's even possible, which we don't know for sure, would take time and give Starfleet time to get the advantage over her.

Exactly so. Also, you're quote tag is not quite attributing right

The spore drive is an asset but it's ability to be fitted to current ships is still a big question mark, largely because it hasn't been done yet. So there is something holding them back.

 

[JD]

I think fixed the quote after you posted.

He's probably the best actor and character on the entire show.

I've liked Doug Jones since he completely took over the role of Abe Sapien in the second Hellboy, and it's nice that Discovery is finally getting him more recognition.

 

[Bad Thoughts]

The spore drive is an asset but it's ability to be fitted to current ships is still a big question mark, largely because it hasn't been done yet. So there is something holding them back.

Wouldn't programmable matter greatly speed the process?

 

[Deks]

Wouldn't programmable matter greatly speed the process?

Indeed.
Its an engine component that simply needs to be integrated with the rest of the ship.
SF was able to retrofit the ENTIRE starship (Discovery) in 3 weeks.
Adapting the Spore Drive would likely take a few hours at best... probably less (given the speed at which programmable matter works).

Also, why the fear that SF would gain an upper hand on the Emerald Chain?
They hadn't done much apart from continuing to putting out fires ever since Discovery was retrofitted... so its safe to say that Osyraa and the Emerald Chain would likely have more than enough time to adapt the Spore Drive to their entire fleet.

Maybe the only real thing preventing them from doing so would be the navigation part. Without Stamets, they wouldn't be able to use the Spore Drive except on a ship that has Stamets.
Obviously, both Tilly and Stamets were tasked with making an alternative interface that wouldn't need Stamets, but as I mentioned before, it would be quite ludicrous to think 32nd century computer systems and AI wouldn't be able to do that.

 

[fireproof78]

Wouldn't programmable matter greatly speed the process?

Maybe it would for the structural process. But, the actual interface and testing seems lacking. Or the navigation is something that requires Stamets to train and execute without killing people.

Ultimately, I'm still thinking the spores are restrictive in access. 32nd century technology shouldn't be used to trample on other beings domain.

 

[PiotrB]

Indeed.
Its an engine component that simply needs to be integrated with the rest of the ship.
SF was able to retrofit the ENTIRE starship (Discovery) in 3 weeks.
Adapting the Spore Drive would likely take a few hours at best... probably less (given the speed at which programmable matter works).

1. Stamets dna modification
2. big room of spores
3. special ship construction with rotating elements on saucer for excess energy cavitation

These are only three reasons, and writers can certainly come up with many more why it is not possible to simply use the DASH drive in a random ship.

 

[fireproof78]

1. Stamets dna modification
2. big room of spores
3. special ship construction with rotating elements on saucer for excess energy cavitation

These are only three reasons, and writers can certainly come up with many more why it is not possible to simply use the DASH drive in a random ship.

Honestly, I don't think it's a technical problem, though that might be prohibitive just due to resource limits.

 

[Bad Thoughts]

Maybe it would for the structural process. But, the actual interface and testing seems lacking. Or the navigation is something that requires Stamets to train and execute without killing people.

1. Stamets dna modification
2. big room of spores
3. special ship construction with rotating elements on saucer for excess energy cavitation

These are only three reasons, and writers can certainly come up with many more why it is not possible to simply use the DASH drive in a random ship.

Honestly, I don't think it's a technical problem, though that might be prohibitive just due to resource limits.

If we are truly being honest, aren't there really only three reasons why there aren't a fleet of spore ships shrooming around the galaxy?

1. The writers don't think offering an explanation is important.
2. The writers find explaning the absence of spore drives too convoluted or cumbersome to deploy.
3. They are saving the arrival of such a fleet for a big finale.

I'm leaning toward #3, though perhaps not for this season.

 

[Discofan]

If we are truly being honest, aren't there really only three reasons why there aren't a fleet of spore ships shrooming around the galaxy?

1. The writers don't think offering an explanation is important.
2. The writers find explaning the absence of spore drives too convoluted or cumbersome to deploy.
3. They are saving the arrival of such a fleet for a big finale.

I'm leaning toward #3, though perhaps not for this season.

Or maybe there's a terrible side-effect to spore drive and the emerald chain is just about to find out... Maybe it involves the prophets and they will dissolve the chain's fleet just like they did the dominion's and that would also tie_in with the Bajoran look of Culbert, btw.

 

[Gingerbread Demon]

Do you know what they should have? Smart bombs. I mean the really smart ones, the kind that can find it's target even if it's been hiding under a false name for years, the kind that can do detective work, disguise itself as something innocuous, and lie in wait for its target to come to it if necessary...

I like this a lot. I mean make them a relentless weapon that once launched won't stop till they find their target and use every trick in the book to get there. They came close in Voyager with that Cardassian torpedo but it couldn't shapeshift or do anything cool like that. This would be neat.

Also where the hell did the communications guy that we met in the first episode go? The writers just dropped that like a hot potato.

 

[Nerys Myk]

Also where the hell did the communications guy that we met in the first episode go? The writers just dropped that like a hot potato.

They left him where they found him.

 

[Gingerbread Demon]

They left him where they found him.

Yes they did.
But It really sucks that it feels we won't see him again for this current series or ever, that's the feeling I get.

 

[Nerys Myk]

Yes they did.
But It really sucks that it feels we won't see him again for this current series or ever, that's the feeling I get.

Did you think he'd be a reoccurring character?