The days of anything other than Marvel, Star Wars, or Game of Thrones making a cultural impact on society are long gone. And I'm pretty sure GoT's time is already up and SW's clock is ticking.
Spoilers Star Trek: Discovery 3x10 - "Terra Firma, Part 2"
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The days of anything other than Marvel, Star Wars, or Game of Thrones making a cultural impact on society are long gone. And I'm pretty sure GoT's time is already up and SW's clock is ticking.
Side-note: Robert Meyer Burnett claimed that "Unification III" was anti-Semitic because it was an allegory about the Israelis and Palestinians where the "Israelis" (the Vulcans) were depicted as bigoted. His comparison doesn't make sense though -- the Romulans are the people who have returned to their ancestral homeland, not the Vulcans, so the Vulcans can't be the Israelis in this analogy; the Palestinians did not exist when the Jewish people were expelled from their homeland, so the Vulcans of "Unification III" can't be the Palestinians in this analogy; and the Vulcans were not depicted as bigoted, but rather both Vulcans and Romulans were depicted as having both progressive and bigoted factions within their cultures. His entire mean-spirited desire to affix the label of "anti-Semitic" onto the episode completely falls apart, because the episode is just not about Israel and Palestine.
Realistically, the Vulcan/Romulan reunification concept is a reference to the re-unification of East and West Germany per interviews with Michael Piller when he wrote "Unification I & II" in 1991, and the East/West Germany analogy works way better for the Vulcan/Romulan conflict on NiVar given existing real-life conflicts within modern-day Germany between the former East and West states.
Burnett also freaked out over a line about Michael having been important to Spock becoming the man he was, which is just silly... and then proclaimed that episode writer Kirsten Beyer deserved to be forced to walk "the Cersei Lannister Walk of Shame." That being, of course, a reference to the Game of Thrones episode in which Cersei was forced to walk naked across the city of King's Landing as members of the public threw things at her and screamed at her -- in other words, a form of sexual assault. I know RMB didn't mean it that way, but even facetiously claiming that a female writer should be forced to endure such a thing is incredibly, incredibly inappropriate.
This is on top of a general attitude of mean-spiritedness towards any creative decisions he doesn't agree with or enjoy.
He's an incredibly toxic dude with what looks to me like some internalized misogyny he hasn't worked on.
Realistically, the Vulcan/Romulan reunification concept is a reference to the re-unification of East and West Germany per interviews with Michael Piller when he wrote "Unification I & II" in 1991, and the East/West Germany analogy works way better for the Vulcan/Romulan conflict on NiVar given existing real-life conflicts within modern-day Germany between the former East and West states.
Burnett also freaked out over a line about Michael having been important to Spock becoming the man he was, which is just silly... and then proclaimed that episode writer Kirsten Beyer deserved to be forced to walk "the Cersei Lannister Walk of Shame." That being, of course, a reference to the Game of Thrones episode in which Cersei was forced to walk naked across the city of King's Landing as members of the public threw things at her and screamed at her -- in other words, a form of sexual assault. I know RMB didn't mean it that way, but even facetiously claiming that a female writer should be forced to endure such a thing is incredibly, incredibly inappropriate.
This is on top of a general attitude of mean-spiritedness towards any creative decisions he doesn't agree with or enjoy.
He's an incredibly toxic dude with what looks to me like some internalized misogyny he hasn't worked on.
Not so sure about that. From what little we see, he sounds like the kind of person who would do exactly that. I would TOTALLY buy mirror Kirk having designs on the throne (indeed, in the Shatnerverse, he actually makes it).
That said, I suspect that in a universe like this, pretty much the only one who isn't conspiring against the Emperor is...the actual Emperor.
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Assuming a population of billions it seems everyone is conspiring to be emperor, since the way to the throne is just kill the last guy or gal who occupied it
I think that Burnham will become captain of this century's next Enterprise in the last ep of the series.
I mean, I imagine that he had aspirations but Lorca was actually in process.Not so sure about that. From what little we see, he sounds like the kind of person who would do exactly that. I would TOTALLY buy mirror Kirk having designs on the throne (indeed, in the Shatnerverse, he actually makes it).
That said, I suspect that in a universe like this, pretty much the only one who isn't conspiring against the Emperor is...the actual Emperor.
The Burnham haters would go INSANE! Like World War 3 nerd-style. I’m definitely here for that.
If they wanted to do a proper homage they should have made him look like Carl Sagan. This guy is nothing like him.
Just watched the episode. Two things:
- IMHO, none of the MU scenes really happened, it was all in some weird headspace.
- I suppose it's a good thing that, as far as CSI actors goes, they hired Paul Guilfoyle and not, say, David Caruso. Then it'd have been more like:
I am the Guardian...
(puts on sunglasses)
...of Forever.
YEEEEEEEEAAAAHHHHH!!!!
- IMHO, none of the MU scenes really happened, it was all in some weird headspace.
- I suppose it's a good thing that, as far as CSI actors goes, they hired Paul Guilfoyle and not, say, David Caruso. Then it'd have been more like:
I am the Guardian...
(puts on sunglasses)
...of Forever.
YEEEEEEEEAAAAHHHHH!!!!
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Just as I refuse to accept that Westerosi Knights in Game of Thrones are entitled "Ser" rather than "Sir," I refuse to accept that the Guardian's avatar is Carl rather than Karl. I will die on this hill.
Yeah, Karl had much more of a 1920s/1930s American businessman stock character vibe to him than anything to do with Carl Sagan.
I think he was just named after Sagan, but his look (1930s businessman) was just an homage/hint to the 1930s setting of City on the Edge of Forever.
Just as I refuse to accept that Westerosi Knights in Game of Thrones are entitled "Ser" rather than "Sir," I refuse to accept that the Guardian's avatar is Carl rather than Karl. I will die on this hill.
I am sorry but I think it's "Ser" they painstakingly made that clear at some point.
Then how come that no one is dressed like him in that episode?
Just as I refuse to accept that Westerosi Knights in Game of Thrones are entitled "Ser" rather than "Sir," I refuse to accept that the Guardian's avatar is Carl rather than Karl. I will die on this hill.
My headcanon is that "Ser" is short for "Servant of the Seven" or something.
Because that episode dealt with poor people, for the most part. Carl appears to be well-off. It's not a direct reference, I believe he's just supposed to be evocative of the era of the 1920s/'30s (think Boardwalk Empire), which might remind some viewers of that being the era of the original episode.
In-universe, there may be a 1930s Carl that the Guardian is taking his form from. He probably recalls that the two journeys to 1930 was the first action he'd seen for a million years and precipitated all the craziness of the next 900. Maybe he took the form because he recalled it as a simpler time without all the headache and heartache of the Time War.
I am pretty sure that they made a point of calling them "Ser" and not "Sir".
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