Given the economics of streaming - which depends on subscription rather than advertising - you can "turn a profit" with far less viewers than on broadcast. This allows for higher-budget niche shows.
Spoilers Star Trek: Discovery 3x10 - "Terra Firma, Part 2"
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Given the economics of streaming - which depends on subscription rather than advertising - you can "turn a profit" with far less viewers than on broadcast. This allows for higher-budget niche shows.
sounds like over complicating things for no reason to me.
RE: The MU in Star Trek Discovery...
I'd say they're done with it. They killed pretty much the entire main cast; including a version of emperor Phillipa Georgiou. Who knows what what may happen with the "Section 31" series; but yeah ST: D is done with the MU.
Can anybody explain to me, how these episodes fit in with Season 1 Mirror Universe episodes? Given where they end, these events don't seem to... and isn't that a problem? Shouldn't Burnham have gotten back to Discovery, to find changes, and nobody aware they've even had Mirror Universe version of Georgiou aboard?
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I think we can safely surmise that these events never really took place, it was all pretty much in Georgiou's mind.
Put me in the fan camp where the UFP is not morally pure and dapples in shades of grey when necessary.
"It was only after the writers began discussing why Lorca would be so skilled with warfare that they hit upon the idea that he'd secretly be from the militaristic world of the Mirror Universe".
Prime Kirk is skilled in warfare,he considers himself a soldier, so is he secretly from the MU as well?
Put me in the fan camp where the UFP is not morally pure and dapples in shades of grey when necessary.
"It was only after the writers began discussing why Lorca would be so skilled with warfare that they hit upon the idea that he'd secretly be from the militaristic world of the Mirror Universe".
Prime Kirk is skilled in warfare,he considers himself a soldier, so is he secretly from the MU as well?
If you remember, MU Kirk was no Lorca, he was an ass who was spotted, seconds after his materialization on the beaming pad and put in the brig. Lorca is a genius compared to that!!!
Two problems with that...
- The two Georgious don't seem much alike. The Prime one (from what little we actually saw of her) acts much calmer and even nicer. Even though her MU counterpart clearly has changed...it hasn't been THAT much.
- Isn't it all but proven that the whole reason DSC did this in the first place was to set up the Section 31 series?
Man these 2 episodes were stupid. Overly violent yet nothing happens, just stupid boring dialog like that firefly scene - what the hell was that. Overall this is a stupid show, but 3rd season had some watchable, although unimaginative, material. But this trash gets a 2/10.
You were confused by that????
Only insofar as "why hell am I even watching this stupid show?" Really sick of hearing about Burnham's childhood - BORING. This show has almost nothing to do with star trek...
The mirror universe had been done to exhaustion and I personally wasn't looking for a return visit.
I like the original idea of Lorca, a captain who either was originally hawkish or had been changed after his first crew died in battle and he is given command of a ship of scientists, which he would see as a punishment for losing his first ship. Even if we go with the Lorca is from the mirror universe story, the show had not invested enough in him in early episodes with its Michael-centric focus. Yes, she is the star, but if this is going to be your big reveal, I feel there should have been more time spent on getting us there. And one of those episodes we spent in the mirror universe following Michael could have spent on Lorca's sudden arrival in the prime universe and what actually happened on the Buran.
The character of Tyler also got shortchanged. How long was he in that prison? Once he figures out he is two people in one body, he spends a lot of time screaming and brooding and there is no real discussion about the mental toll or PTSD that kind of revelation would entail. I forget the in-universe explanation of what happened to the original Tyler, but why not build a story around him and Voq in some internal struggle for control. And if Voq is controlling Tyler by this point and knows what's going on, why does he choose the moment he does, in the mirror universe, to break out and try and kill Michael. What is his plan afterwards, in a universe where Klingons are subjugated?
Discovery's main issue when it comes to the story construction is that it feels like they are coming up with all these plot threads they think are cool, but they don't come up with ways to have the ideas cohesively make sense.
It's my understanding that Ellison's original intention was apparently that there would be multiple Guardians for the time portal with very alien personalities. "Carl" -- or, as I prefer to call him, "Karl" -- as an avatar adopting 20th Century Human cultural markers, seems to be a different concept per se.
Probably the same. I doubt the Mirror Universe diverged until around World War I.
The color inversion and the upside down images are an abstract representation of the Mirror Universe's status as an inversion of Prime Universe morality. That's neither laziness or a mistake, it's just an artistic choice you didn't enjoy.
Except that that would go against the entire concept behind DIS's opening credits sequences. DIS opening credits are abstract representations of the Star Trek Universe, not ships-flying-through-space.
You have terrible taste and I don't want to be your friend.
Okay, so, first off, the Guardian in "City" was not limited and only able to answer questions. Rather, it was an intelligence so advanced that it found communicating verbally with Humans and Vulcans to be difficult.
Obviously, the Guardian has learned a bit about how to interact with Humans by the 32nd Century. Having the Karl avatar be personable, prone to making jokes, have a sense of compassion and empathy -- these are not necessarily the choices I would have made in bringing back the Guardian, but they're not bad choices either. Honestly it boils down to whether you want to depict the Guardian as this ancient, incomprehensible thing, or if you want the Guardian to be a character. Neither choice is objectively better than the other. I subjectively prefer the Guardian-as-incomprehensible option, but Guardian-as-a-character was well-executed in "Terra Firma."
Oh pish posh. The Guardian in "City" was no more realistic than the Guardian in "Terra Firma."
Well, the Coalition of Planets originated in the ENT two-parter "Demons"/"Terra Prime" before being further developed in the post-finale ENT novels. There was also a Myriad Universes novella featuring the Interstellar Coalition as a rival to an isolationist United Earth.
I think either the Guardian placed her back into the MU and thereby created a new alternate MU timeline, or he created some sort of pocket-universe fantasy for her to live in for three months where all the characters behaved as the actual MU persons would have.
It would be interesting if she returned to Discovery's point of departure from the 23rd Century. Presumably, she would be working under Section 31 Director Ash Tyler.
I think that's the point -- the Terran Empire is in a state of constant instability because its tyrannical nature breeds eternal retalliatory rebellions. This particular rebellion wasn't the point.
ViacomCBS has to report things like that each quarter to their shareholders. If they don't, it's securities fraud. Their most recent report indicates strong growth. They're not at Disney+ levels, but they're doing fine.
The media landscape is so fragmented that that's virtually impossible for anyone other than Star Wars or Marvel (that is to say, for anyone other than Disney). You might as well complain that a well-to-do comfortable middle-class family hasn't won the lottery yet.
It's either a new branching MY timeline that diverged from the MU we've seen before, or it was a pocket fantasy dimension the Guardian created where the characters all behaved like the real MU people. We'll probably never know which, but it also doesn't really matter from a drama standpoint.
A character realizing how deeply she has changed and how much she loves someone doesn't constitute compelling drama to you?
It was Phillipa trying to reach Michael with a reminder of the bond they forged during Michael's childhood. It's a mother trying to reach her daughter.
Discovery needed a Spock, besides Kirk was not a stranger to his crew. Lorca was a new captain to Discovery, so no one knew what he was like, so there was no comparison to make.
It's been three seasons. If you're still watching that's on you. Me, I don't spend that much time watching shows I don't like
"This show has almost nothing to do with star trek". What does that even mean? Star Trek is about the characters.
Might be a too "touchy feely" for them. God forbid any character express emotion, sentiments or personal connection in Star Trek.
The days or period of time when Trek made a cultural impact on society are long gone.
MU Kirk also wasn't conspiring against the Emperor.
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