Spoilers Star Trek: Discovery 3x10 - "Terra Firma, Part 2"

[Aragorn]

This is the very reason the episode only got an 8 from me. Georgiou, both incarnations, is my favorite DSC character, but the "funeral" scene was bizarre and out of place. I can see Burnham, and perhaps Saru, being upset, since it's almost like losing Prime Georgiou all over again, but everyone else...? Really?

Nilsson: "I'll show up and say something nice about her if it means I get some screen time. Wait, did you just cut away from me before I could speak?"

 

[fireproof78]

This is the very reason the episode only got an 8 from me. Georgiou, both incarnations, is my favorite DSC character, but the "funeral" scene was bizarre and out of place. I can see Burnham, and perhaps Saru, being upset, since it's almost like losing Prime Georgiou all over again, but everyone else...? Really?

A crew suffering loss after loss is going to struggle. It's not that hard to believe.

 

[Mark 2000]

I think the “Space Hitler” is and understandable, but ultimately inaccurate label. A “Hitler” like label implies not just a ruthless dictator, which she was, but also someone who has a demented capacity to scapegoat segments of the population to build a nationalism around their sacrifice.

Literally eating Kelpians wasn't enough for you?

There’s no real I indication that Georgiou was like that. People were expendable but it seems this is the world she inherited. Whereas Hitler helped to fundamentally create the lie that the Jews were to blame for all of Germany’s woes.
Georgiou was more akin to a ruthless emperor like Julius Caesar of Genghis Khan.

Are we rationalizing to the point where Genghis Khan, who raped so many people that .5% of the modern population is genetically linked to him, wasn't that bad a guy? Hitler didn't come up with a single original idea. His world was shaped by anti-semitism, eugenics, colonial wars, and the Tsar of Russia literally published a fake book detailing how Jews were taking over the world. All he did was bring it all that BS to its logical conclusion. Just watch Fiddler on the Roof. It ain't Hitler burning their weddings down. This is like when people bloviate that Trump came up with Islamophobia and a border wall when it had been standard rhetoric for over 20 years.

Also, making Hitler into some kind of special, one of a kind evil out of nowhere really degrades the horrendous atrocities of colonialism which did the same things and erases the pain of many, many colonized populations.

If you can't blame the person at the top then no one can be held accountable for their actions. Do you really want to make a case for that to defend a TV show?

 

[IMC Headquarters]

They should have named this one, "The Inner Dark".

Crikey they sure did thin out the Mirror-Discovery's bridge crew...

 

[eschaton]

They should have named this one, "The Inner Dark".

Crikey they sure did thin out the Mirror-Discovery's bridge crew...

I believe Tilly and Owo are the only members of the main cast whose MU alters survived the episode.

 

[Lakenheath 72]

This will be a first for Discovery. I watched the clip for next week's episode, and we have a continuation of the wake for the Emperor in the mess hall. (The clip is available through Ready Room.)

 

[eschaton]

This will be a first for Discovery. I watched the clip for next week's episode, and the crew is still mourning for the Emperor. (The clip is available through Ready Room.)

Isn't it very similar to how they played the death of Airiam in Season 2? One episode ended with her death, the next began with her funeral.

 

[Ar-Pharazon]

This is the very reason the episode only got an 8 from me. Georgiou, both incarnations, is my favorite DSC character, but the "funeral" scene was bizarre and out of place. I can see Burnham, and perhaps Saru, being upset, since it's almost like losing Prime Georgiou all over again, but everyone else...? Really?

Agreed. Some of the best Trek stories I've ever encountered had space travel only in the background or even completely absent.

The Emperor probably got in more people's hair than could possibly be shown in these short seasons. I have no doubt that most, if not all, of the main crew had some interesting experiences with her.

 

[Styleset]

In a rather interesting way too. I love the storytelling of this arc, both character and visual. So incredible, especially with the whole sword thing in Part 1.

Phillipa.

I agree, but it didn’t just change her. I demonstrated that she has already changed. I don’t mean she was a “goody two shoes.” But the Gaurdian said it: “you tried.” He/They(?) were testing her? Can she be trusted to use the skills she has to do some good?

... enter Section 31. A murky organization with a mission to do some good, by any means necessary. Perfect environment for a reformed dictator and warrior.

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

And we later learned that Regent Worf was the ruler of the Klingon-Cardassian Alliance and everybody else answered to him.

'Regent' implies he's ruling in someone else's stead (like in "Friday's Child" - the infant Leonard James Akaar became the High Teer at birth, but his mother rules as 'regent' until he comes of age). MU Kahless, perhaps?

As for this episode: I take it that it didn't erase the previous MU episodes? It's just "another" MU now?

 

[Styleset]

The Emperor probably got in more people's hair than could possibly be shown in these short seasons. I have no doubt that most, if not all, of the main crew had some interesting experiences with her.

In my head canon Linus may have been a sex servant.

 

[fireproof78]

I agree, but it didn’t just change her. I demonstrated that she has already changed. I don’t mean she was a “goody two shoes.” But the Gaurdian said it: “you tried.” He/They(?) were testing her? Can she be trusted to use the skills she has to do some good?

... enter Section 31. A murky organization with a mission to do some good, by any means necessary. Perfect environment for a reformed dictator and warrior.

I hope that is the theme that carries forward in that show. I think that Phillipa was changing but couldn't face that reality until put back in to the world she thought she knew. Except, she knows more than even she would be willing to admit, including about the Kelpians, about Stamets, and her recognition of a blind spot for Michael. Funny, because she accused Prime Michael of the same thing for Phillipa.

As for this episode: I take it that it didn't erase the previous MU episodes? It's just an alternate MU now?

Just another branch.

 

[Tim Thomason]

I don't know. If you look at other fictional redemptions, like Darth Vader or Vegeta, or Mirror Spock, they are usually underlings. People who were corrupted by the big bad. In this case Phillipa is the Emperor. She's Frieza. She's Hitler. Does that really work? Would you watch Hitler reformed and working with the Allies to rebuild the world?

"Well, Hitler, you murdered millions of people and when sent back in time was still a ruthless conquer who tortured people and put down democratic revolutions, but was kind of nice to your slave. Want to help with the Marshall Plan?"

But, I'm a bad judge on this because of my disdain for the Phillipa character who, to me, had all the evil edge of a school bully.

It worked for Xena. She wasn't anyone's underling.

 

[Discofan]

In my head canon Linus may have been a sex servant.

So long as he doesn't sneeze.

(well at least it's not acid like Keenser.)

 

[Lakenheath 72]

Or shed.

 

[Discofan]

Or shed.

That seems to amuse the kids though...

 

[Awesome Possum]

I agree, but it didn’t just change her. I demonstrated that she has already changed. I don’t mean she was a “goody two shoes.” But the Gaurdian said it: “you tried.” He/They(?) were testing her? Can she be trusted to use the skills she has to do some good?

... enter Section 31. A murky organization with a mission to do some good, by any means necessary. Perfect environment for a reformed dictator and warrior.

I see that that Guardian watched The Good Place at some point and took the lessons from the show to heart.

 

[Ar-Pharazon]

In my head canon Linus may have been a sex servant.

I thought that was pretty obvious

So long as he doesn't sneeze.

(well at least it's not acid like Keenser.)

Or shed.

No telling what the Emperor might like. I only wonder if male Saurians are the ones that get pregnant? Linus could have a little hybrid bun in the oven.

 

[thribs]

Yeah, what is that nonsense between the outer hull and the interior? Is that the rollercoaster?

 

[Discofan]

No telling what the Emperor might like. I only wonder if male Saurians are the ones that get pregnant? Linus could have a little hybrid bun in the oven.

Well, if it's anything like what happens on earth then saurians lay eggs and so they don't get pregnant, not in the sense we give to that word at any rate.