Spoilers Kelvin-verse referenced in Prime timeline

[Timo]

I think King Daniel was pointing out that Spock went back in time during his initial cross over into the Kelvin timeline. Interestingly, Nero only time traveled, since he was the splitting incident.

Ah, you mean the 25 years between the dates of arrival would count in Spock's disfavor there, making him hop tracks? I guess my argument would be that he came through the same points, despite this hiccup, and was part of the splitting incident himself.

I also thought that's an interesting connection, but they didn't all go very far and didn't switch universes. Maybe Spock was more affected cause he went to the ice age, while Kirk seemed fine cause he only went to the musketeer era...?

This is an interesting take on the TOS adventure indeed. Although to be fair, there was no "affected" in evidence there, beyond Spock choosing to take liberties. Nothing about Mr Atoz' fearmongering seemed supported by the events themselves, there being no real harm to traveling unprepared. (However, being prepared might do you harm - the device was designed for banishment, after all, so injecting every departee with a kills-you-if-you-try-to-return poison would appear prudent.)

Timo Saloniemi

 

[STEPhon IT]

There is zero reason to assume that unform was from.the Kelvin universe. Yor was a temporal soldier.

What a mess. Can't these creatively bankrupted producers just make a compromise and just merge the universes together than continuing this separatist non-sense of Kelvin and Prime???

 

[fireproof78]

What a mess. Can't these creatively bankrupted producers just make a compromise and just merge the universes together than continuing this separatist non-sense of Kelvin and Prime???

I don't see a mess. You have distinct timelines and are easy enough to track.

How is it separatist?

 

[STEPhon IT]

Star Trek is Star Trek just merge the universes together.

 

[F. King Daniel]

What a mess. Can't these creatively bankrupted producers just make a compromise and just merge the universes together than continuing this separatist non-sense of Kelvin and Prime???

Should they merge all the comic book character versions too?

Different versions/interpretations of the same thing are good. Variation is good. Homogeny is bad.

 

[fireproof78]

Star Trek is Star Trek just merge the universes together.

It doesn't need to be merged together. There can be so many different versions of these characters existing at multiple times. It's nice to have the variation so people can enjoy what they like.

 

[Unimatrix Q]

"Terra Firma, Part 1" implies with the appearance of Time Soldier Yor from the Kelvinverse the possibility that Crewman Daniels in "Cold Front" was also from there.

It would finally explain his cryptic comments about Illinois and Earth:

"TUCKER: And you didn't grow up in Illinois.
DANIELS: Oh, I'm from a place called Illinois, sir. Just not the one you're familiar with.
TUCKER: It's good to know Earth will still be around in nine hundred years.
DANIELS: That depends on how you define Earth."

 

[Dukhat]

"Terra Firma, Part 1" implies with the appearance of Time Soldier Yor from the Kelvinverse the possibility that Crewman Daniels in "Cold Front" was also from there.

It would finally explain his cryptic comments about Illinois and Earth:

"TUCKER: And you didn't grow up in Illinois.
DANIELS: Oh, I'm from a place called Illinois, sir. Just not the one you're familiar with.
TUCKER: It's good to know Earth will still be around in nine hundred years.
DANIELS: That depends on how you define Earth."

It implies nothing of the sort. As was mentioned in another thread, Daniels wasn’t from the Kelvin timeline, because the Xindi attack didn’t occur in his universe but it did in the Kelvin universe.

 

[Unimatrix Q]

It implies nothing of the sort. As was mentioned in another thread, Daniels wasn’t from the Kelvin timeline, because the Xindi attack didn’t occur in his universe but it did in the Kelvin universe.

"Terra Firma, Part 1" implies with the appearance of Time Soldier Yor from the Kelvinverse the possibility that Crewman Daniels in "Cold Front" was also from there."

I'm talking about the version we saw getting killed by Silik in this episode. The Daniels fron later episodes might not be the same one...

 

[Dukhat]

"Terra Firma, Part 1" implies with the appearance of Time Soldier Yor from the Kelvinverse the possibility that Crewman Daniels in "Cold Front" was also from there."

I'm talking about the version we saw getting killed by Silik in this episode. The Daniels fron later episodes might not be the same...

I’m still trying to figure out what in Daniels’s dialogue you quoted that shows any kind of proof that he’s from the Kelvin timeline.

 

[Unimatrix Q]

I’m still trying to figure out what in Daniels’s dialogue you quoted that shows any kind of proof that he’s from the Kelvin timeline.

"DANIELS: That depends on how you define Earth."

In retrospect he could have talked about the fact that Archer's fate doesn't inform just the future of one universe but two (and possibly many more).

And Earth in "People of Earth" was apparently still the same and we don't know what Earth became like in the future of the Kelvinverse.

 

[Dukhat]

"DANIELS: That depends on how you define Earth."

And Earth in "People of Earth" was apparently still the same and we don't know what Earth became like in the future of the Kelvinverse.

Well, what became of Earth in the 31st century of the Mirror Universe? Maybe Daniels came from there. I think you need a little more proof than that to make that determination.

 

[Unimatrix Q]

Well, what became of Earth in the 31st century of the Mirror Universe? Maybe Daniels came from there. I think you need a little more proof than that to make that determination.

I strongly doubt that he was from the MU. Why would he want to protect the Federation in this case?

But a third, for now unseen, universe that separated itself at a later point either from the Prime or Kelvin Universe could also be possible

But i'm almost sure he wasn't from Prime.

 

[Dukhat]

I wasn’t trying to imply he was from the MU. Just that, by only using that dialogue as proof, that he could have come from the MU just as much as the KU. Or any other alternate universe for that matter. Even the ‘prime’ universe, whatever that term means anymore.

Point: there’s no proof in Daniels’s dialogue that definitively points to him coming from the KU, which is what you said it implied.

 

[Unimatrix Q]

I wasn’t trying to imply he was from the MU. Just that, by only using that dialogue as proof, that he could have come from the MU just as much as the KU. Or any other alternate universe for that matter.

Point: there’s no proof in Daniels’s dialogue that definitively points to him coming from the KU, which is what you said it implied.

I never talked about it being proven. Just about that the new information make it seem possible.

 

[Dukhat]

It’s possible that he came from any number of infinite universes. I’m not sure why the Kelvin timeline would be any more possible or probable than any other one.

 

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Or he kept it vague to not reveal the status of Earth so they don't get lazy knowing that Earth will be fine XD

 

[Unimatrix Q]

It’s possible that he came from any number of infinite universes. I’m not sure why the Kelvin timeline would be any more possible or probable than any other one.

I always thought he was coming from Prime and never considered the possibility that he may have been from another universe like the KU. And the new information from "Terra Firma, Part 1" opened my eyes to this possibility.

And it would give a lot more sense and meaning to Daniels' cryptic remarks about Earth.

 

[Dukhat]

And it would give a lot more sense and meaning to Daniels' cryptic remarks about Earth.

See, this is what I’m confused about. What exactly does Daniels say about Earth that has anything to do with the Kelvin timeline?

 

[Unimatrix Q]

See, this is what I’m confused about. What exactly does Daniels say about Earth that has anything to do with the Kelvin timeline?

Not directly about the KT but now i interprete his answer to Tucker differently than before.

"That depends on how you define Earth."

Before the episode i thought he spoke about Earth being changed into something unrecognizable for humans from the 22nd century. Which was already disproven by "People of Earth".

Now i interprete it, as the answer depends on which universe you talk about (Prime, Kelvin etc.)