What are your controversial Star Trek opinions?

[CorporalCaptain]

Also Spock's death was foreshadowed in the opening scene in the simulator room.

It certainly was.

Also, if Kirk's death is rendered moot [sic] in STID, then so was Spock's in TSFS. Neither is more wanting dramatically in terms of their circumstances. The primary difference is in terms of novelty, in going where no one has gone before vs been there, done that.

 

[Lord Garth]

It's the execution too. Unless you were around and a fan in 1982, you knew about Spock's death after the fact. I wasn't even three yet when TWOK came out. So that tells you all you need to know right there. TVH was the first Star Trek movie I saw as a fan. So I watched TWOK, later on, knowing full well Spock would come back to life. It still didn't take the punch out of the scene. To this day it still carries a lot of weight. Even more so on a different level, now that Leonard Nimoy has passed away.

My impression of the Kelvin Films was that, by that point, Kirk and Spock barely even liked each other. If it had been done before but Into Darkness dramatically improved upon how it was done before, that would've been fine. But, as it was, all I could do was keep mentally comparing it to the scene in TWOK and the comparison wasn't favorable.

 

[F. King Daniel]

And our four hours of time getting to know the Kelvin Kirk and Spock didn't match the 16 years we'd spent getting to know the original Kirk and Spock

So Wrath of Khan doesn't work as a standalone movie?

Exactly. Death doesn't mean anything if it's reversed minutes later.

Try 90 minutes?

Especially if they're brought back in a totally stupid way

Genesis is stupid and nonsensical. Vulcan mind power transfer is stupid magic.

And I say this as a fan of Star Trek. Super healing blood is no worse than those.

 

[JonnyQuest037]

Try 90 minutes?

I was talking about Into Darkness, and I think you knew that.

 

[fireproof78]

Genesis is stupid and nonsensical. Vulcan mind power transfer is stupid magic.

And I say this as a fan of Star Trek. Super healing blood is no worse than those.

This is my view. I get it that many don't find the death in ID engaging, and that's fine. I disagree but that's fine. But, the method of Kirk being revived doesn't bother me, largely because it feels like it could really work, unlike Spock's resurrection which was magic.

 

[Lord Garth]

The healing blood is something I didn't have a problem with. I thought it was silly, but anyone who thought Kirk would stay dead was lying to themselves. So not a big deal.

And, yeah, Spock's resurrection in TSFS was a lot more fantastical. Even more fantastical is that it looks like Spock became the same age he was right before he died, just in time for Kirk to get them beamed off Genesis. Lets not even get into Spock's hair and nails. If you really think about it, he should've had waist-length hair, a ZZ Top beard to go with it, and crazy nails.

 

[Doom Shepherd]

Try 90 minutes?

I think the time between Spock’s death in TWOK and his landing on Genesis (where he would have begun to regenerate almost immediately thanks to the Effect) might have been even less than 90 minutes.

 

[Lord Garth]

How I rate entire periods of Star Trek on a 10-scale. In a spin-off response to this thread.

Roddenberry Trek (TOS, TAS, TMP, and TNG until his death): 7.5
Bennett Trek (plus TUC): 8
Berman Trek (from GR's death to the end of ENT): 7
Abrams Trek: 6
Kurtzman Trek: 8

Notes
1) Before someone points it out, yes, I know I'm being generous with the cut-off for Gene Roddenberry.
2) TUC is technically an orphan between major regimes, so I put it where it fits in best.

 

[Kamen Rider Blade]

I just wish John Harrison wasn't a cover name for "Khan Noonien Singh".

That's such a waste and IMO, if they wanted to use Augments again, they should've had John Harrison be Khan's best friend or strategist and have his own plan that was seperate from Khan.

Then you can go somewhere interesting like they did in ENT with their augments.

 

[cooleddie74]

Khan is deemed too dangerous to release from sleep so John Harrison - a British Augment leader who managed to escape with the 71 other Augments - is awakened due to scant but convincing evidence that he has the intelligence and technical skills to help Admiral Marcus with his plans to counter the Klingon Empire. One of Khan's leading lieutenants along with Joaquin from TOS, Harrison proves dangerous enough all on his own and immediately sets out to free Khan and his fellow Augment escapees from suspended animation, undermining Marcus' plans.

 

[F. King Daniel]

I think heads are going to explode if the 1992 series happens. You'll probably all be saying "At least Cumberbatch's Khan was true to..."

 

[Grendelsbayne]

I think heads are going to explode if the 1992 series happens. You'll probably all be saying "At least Cumberbatch's Khan was true to..."

Well, Cumberbatch's Khan was perfectly fine for me, but it wasn't true to much of anything about the original character at all. To be fair, even TWOK wasn't all that true to the original, though it was closer. If the Khan series happens and is a great story, I don't really care how true it is to anything. Likewise if it's absolutely terrible.

 

[Todd Pence]

STAR TREK V is a better movie than STAR TREK VI.

 

[GeorgeKirk]

Ron Jones' Borg theme is superior to Jerry Goldsmith's in First Contact. Everybody gushes over Goldsmith's scores in the TNG films, but it always seemed to me like he was just phoning it in.

 

[cooleddie74]

I will say that the new love and appreciation for TFF is nice to see. It's my least-favorite of the TOS Era Movies but it is a lot more entertaining and fulfilling to watch than two or three others in the film franchise.

 

[Vger23]

Ron Jones' Borg theme is superior to Jerry Goldsmith's in First Contact. Everybody gushes over Goldsmith's scores in the TNG films, but it always seemed to me like he was just phoning it in.

While agree that INS and NEM are somewhat lackluster compared to his other scores, I think FC is brilliant.

I will say that the new love and appreciation for TFF is nice to see. It's my least-favorite of the TOS Era Movies but it is a lot more entertaining and fulfilling to watch than two or three others in the film franchise.

Agreed. It was a very “Star Trek” story, with tons of heart and great character stuff. It just suffers in execution unfortunately.

 

[Paul755]

Yeah, I would say the score for First Contact is second only to the Horner scores for WOK & SFS.

The opening title theme for First Contact is beautiful.

 

[Vger23]

Yeah, I would say the score for First Contact is second only to the Horner scores for WOK & SFS.

The opening title theme for First Contact is beautiful.

I honestly never tire of it, or the variations on it used throughout the film.

 

[Vger23]

Controversial Opinion:

Spock is awesome in "That Which Survives"

 

[cooleddie74]

Ferengi episodes of DS9 are fun and almost always worth watching.