Re-Write the Ending!

[Sci]

I guess O’Brian spending virtual years in an alien prison wasn’t during his tenure.

While I agree that "Hard Time" and the other "Annual Torture O'Brien" episodes should have been depicted as having more consequences, I am afraid you meant to reply to me on this topic in another thread.

 

[Oddish]

I made a similar mistake.

I guess O’Brian spending virtual years in an alien prison wasn’t during his tenure.

Urghh... talk about "the dark side of 'The Inner Light'."

I'd consider that kind of torture to be an act of war, honestly. And see what they thought about having their virtual prison obliterated by precision phaser fire.

 

[WarpTenLizard]

"Remember Me" (TNG).

The universe really IS shrinking, people ARE disappearing, and there is a legit answer to what's going on, instead of a copout! Don't tell me this would be too hard to write, this is "Star Trek." Make it a Q episode if you have to. But do SOMETHING other than the horrible "just a dream-bubble" copout.

 

[publiusr]

That was an alternate space that was shrinking.

Imagine if a Voyager probe hit the shell with stars painted on it

 

[Oddish]

"When the Bough Breaks"...

Under the rules, I can change nothing other than the denouement. But, in a way, that gives the ending much more emotional punch.

The episode goes as indicated until the children dematerialize, with one brief exception: Harry's wooden dolphin is returned to him. Then, instead of what he says, Radue demands that Picard and the others leave at once. Picard repeats his offer to help them, and Radue snarls that he's done enough. After a long pause, Picard orders the Enterprise to beam both away teams back to the ship.

PICARD: "Captain's log, stardate 41 whatever. We have received a text only message from the Aldeans. They want nothing more to do with us, or any other Federation vessel. We have transmitted Dr. Crusher's research, along with a further offer of assistance, and have received no response. It would appear that the vast knowledge that the Aldeans offered to share with us will now die with them.

On a happier note, all of the children are settling back in quite nicely. Their parents have expressed their gratitude, to myself and to the away team. All indications are that they were treated well during their days of captivity. Had they gotten the chance, the Aldeans would undoubtedly have made good parents. Though I know that we could have done nothing else, I find myself strangely sorrowful that the last survivors of this great civilization will soon perish, and their planet will soon revert to legend for the last time."

Data indicates to Picard that the Enterprise is picking up energy readings from the surface. The Aldean shield has been restored, and the fluctuations they previously exploited have been repaired: there's no going back. Picard acknowledges, and tells him to plot a course out of the system at warp 4.

As the Enterprise departs, we cut to Harry and his father's quarters. They are watching out the rear window, and see it as the planet shimmers into invisibility once again, presumably forever. Then, the camera pans in on the shelf, and Harry's dolphin. Fade out, roll credits.

 

[FederationHistorian]

“The Voyager Conspiracy”

At dinner, Chakotay whips out a phaser that was hidden under the table and escorts Janeway to the brig, where Tuvok and a few other crewmembers are being held. Chakotay takes command of the ship and promotes Harry Kim to first officer.

 

[Oddish]

“The Voyager Conspiracy”

At dinner, Chakotay whips out a phaser that was hidden under the table and escorts Janeway to the brig, where Tuvok and a few other crewmembers are being held. Chakotay takes command of the ship and promotes Harry Kim to first officer.

Not as unthinkable as you'd expect. Anytime Harry is no longer under Janeway's command, those pips on his collar multiply like tribbles.

 

[Nyotarules]

DIS Unification III
The crew mutiny at Saru's decision to promote Tilly, Vance demote Saru and makes Adira captain since she has the most experience due to being joined
Burnham does not get the data

 

[jackoverfull]

DIS Unification III
The crew mutiny at Saru's decision to promote Tilly, Vance demote Saru and makes Adira captain since she has the most experience due to being joined
Burnham does not get the data

still more believable than the actual episode.

 

[Orphalesion]

Make it a Q episode if you have to.

Because a wizard Q did it wouldn't be a cop-out?

 

[Nyotarules]

ENT Terra Prime episode

Baby Elizabeth survives, Phlox suggests reporting her death to the public for her own protection. Soval offers to adopt her within his own clan. T'Pol and Tucker tearfully agree as they head for the memorial service

 

[Oddish]

ENT Terra Prime episode

Baby Elizabeth survives, Phlox suggests reporting her death to the public for her own protection. Soval offers to adopt her within his own clan. T'Pol and Tucker tearfully agree as they head for the memorial service

That's a cool idea... little Lizzie's death never sat well with me. Added to the dreadful decision to end the series with "These are the Voyages", it's a one-two gut punch to the fans.

 

[at Quark's]

I never understood why that extremist group would create her as a 'demonstration' of the horrors of species crossbreeding in the first place. Doesn't seem to me as if such a cute infant would rally many people to their cause.

Also, suppose she had survived but not been liberated. Would that group have killed her after they had made their point?

 

[Oddish]

Also, suppose she had survived but not been liberated. Would that group have killed her after they had made their point?

Depends on who was calling the shots. Given that they were willing to launch an attack that could kill thousands of innocents, one more fatality wouldn't have mattered much to them. But they undoubtedly had people present to handle the bottles and diapers, like the woman who died in "Demons". Being able to care for a child that young typically involves a certain affinity for them. Such a person might have refused to tolerate such an act.

 

[Nyotarules]

I never understood why that extremist group would create her as a 'demonstration' of the horrors of species crossbreeding in the first place. Doesn't seem to me as if such a cute infant would rally many people to their cause.

Also, suppose she had survived but not been liberated. Would that group have killed her after they had made their point?

It's believable if you consider how historically people of mixed background are sometimes treated by the majority ethnic group as if they are a threat to some mythical 'pure' race.
How many racists would consider a mixed race human baby cute?
How many racists in the past gave a pass to a mixed race baby for being cute?

 

[at Quark's]

It's believable if you consider how historically people of mixed background are sometimes treated by the majority ethnic group as if they are a threat to some mythical 'pure' race.
How many racists would consider a mixed race human baby cute?
How many racists in the past gave a pass to a mixed race baby for being cute?

But the point in this case isn't really what the members of Terra Prima themselves think of such a baby, they want to convince the general public that such species-mingling is horrendous. Showing them a baby most people would perceive as cute wouldn't help them in that, and any somewhat skilled propagandist in the faction would know that, regardless of his personal feelings.

 

[Nyotarules]

But the point in this case isn't really what the members of Terra Prima themselves think of such a baby, they want to convince the general public that such species-mingling is horrendous. Showing them a baby most people would perceive as cute wouldn't help them in that, and any somewhat skilled propagandist in the faction would know that, regardless of his personal feelings.

There was a time when races combining to make love or babies was considered by a large portion of the general public horrendous, in certain cultures. The great USA was one of them.

 

[1001001]

There was a time when races combining to make love or babies was considered by a large portion of the general public horrendous, in certain cultures. The great USA was one of them.

"Half Breed" was not a term of endearment...

 

[Silvercrest]

"Half Breed" was not a term of endearment...

Oh, man ... that reminds me of reading Tom Sawyer for the first time at about age 10. I only absorbed "half-breed" as a general point of reference, not a racial slur. For a very brief time I referred to anything made of two disparate materials as "half-breed". My parents quickly put a stop to that. Fortunately I didn't do it in front of anyone else ... I hope.

 

[at Quark's]

There was a time when races combining to make love or babies was considered by a large portion of the general public horrendous, in certain cultures. The great USA was one of them.

That is certainly true, I'm just not sure it would apply to the situation under discussion here (the Vulcan/human hybrid infant, and how the general public would react to that). After all, we're not talking about the past, we're talking about the Trek future, in which humanity supposedly has become more tolerant, accepting of differences, etc. And if they're not completely there yet in this mid 22nd century time frame (as they will be in the 24th century), they're at least halfway there by this time. These guys have solved hunger, poverty, have no more wars on earth, and have a unified world government (presumably).

The image I'm getting is that in their world, there's no more racism, though there still is some lingering specieism. As I see it, the Terra Prime members feel they're losing ground, with the influx of ever more aliens,and try a last desparate attempt to turn the tide - but not a terribly well thought out attempt.