Spoilers Star Trek: Discovery 3x07 - "Unification III"

[Nerys Myk]

Is it wrong I want to see this now, Even as a spoof or short?

Check please.

 

[Timelord79 (he/him)]

DS9 didn't explain a thing. It just lampshaded a change - and nonsensically so, since it would have had to mean that Bashir and O'Brien had never seen a single image of a TOS-era Klingon or ever heard in passing that they once looked different.

Apparently lampshading 15 years later, and clumsy explanation 25 years later is sufficient - I guess we have another decade or so before a future show needs to address Disco's changes.

Still waiting on an explanation for why Romulans have forehead ridges in every series other than TOS, in direct contradiction to a TOS plot point.

They were from the north.

 

[TRON JA307020]

DS9 didn't explain a thing. It just lampshaded a change - and nonsensically so, since it would have had to mean that Bashir and O'Brien had never seen a single image of a TOS-era Klingon or ever heard in passing that they once looked different.

Apparently lampshading 15 years later, and clumsy explanation 25 years later is sufficient - I guess we have another decade or so before a future show needs to address Disco's changes.

Still waiting on an explanation for why Romulans have forehead ridges in every series other than TOS, in direct contradiction to a TOS plot point.

Enterprise ended up explaining it and basically showed us Bashirs theory was basically on target. The romulan forehead ridges are an easy explanation since they are an offshoot if the Vulcans. Some romulans just still look Vulcan.

 

[fireproof78]

It was a stupid explanation that unnecessarily complicated things.

 

[Nerys Myk]

Enterprise ended up explaining it and basically showed us Bashirs theory was basically on target.

A bit easy when the cause comes after the theory.

The romulan forehead ridges are an easy explanation since they are an offshoot if the Vulcans. Some romulans just still look Vulcan.

How is that an explanation?

 

[NCC-73515]

It was bizarre; the only thing which would have salvaged it is if Linus transported into the middle.

They should've done that XD
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Honestly, I even find it hard to watch the show live and enjoy it, because I find myself thinking “oh...THIS is going to make people bitch and moan” or “oh boy, all the usual suspects are gonna have a field day with THAT” or whatever...instead of just happily enjoying the story like I usually would.

It’s one of the reasons I find myself posting in this forum far less than I usually do this season. It just feels like Groundhog Day sometimes.

Some people just go out of their way to hate things, and if they can’t find anything to hate they’ll make something up. It’s sad. Fans suck the joy out of things these days. Maybe they always did, I dunno.

The ignore function is bliss.

 

[Bad Thoughts]

Enterprise ended up explaining it and basically showed us Bashirs theory was basically on target. The romulan forehead ridges are an easy explanation since they are an offshoot if the Vulcans. Some romulans just still look Vulcan.

By my calculations, the Original Series was DISRESPECTED for 24 years.

James R. Kirk must have been incensed.

 

[Tim Thomason]

Still waiting on an explanation for why Romulans have forehead ridges in every series other than TOS, in direct contradiction to a TOS plot point.

We see smoothie Romulans in TOS, the TOS movies, the Kelvin movies, and Picard. We see Northerners in TNG, DS9, Voyager, Enterprise, Lower Decks, and Picard. Picard shows us both, with an explanation that implies the Northerners are a different race or subset of Romulans, so the assumption is that there are two main groups of Romulans seen across the series. The slight ridges on Selok that were removed or masked when she was Ambassador T'Pel shows us that they had no qualms at removing their ridges if need be, and this may have been a common practice in the 23rd century from some Northerners.

I don't know why you have such a problem with explanations. The DS9/Enterprise explanation is enough to explain away Discovery and its varying portrayal of Klingons who clearly tamper with their genetic makeup on a whim. Genetic engineering is rampant in Star Trek and that's been the case since the first season of TOS. That you people choose to ignore that and say there must be some larger explanation is frustrating and a lack of imagination, really. Half of the fun with Star Trek is working out the details that are implied but not quite stated.

 

[NCC-73515]

The ENT explanation for the Klingons didn't just explain TOS vs TNG-VOY, but even the movie Klingons who had transitional looks.

 

[Nerys Myk]

We see smoothie Romulans in TOS, the TOS movies, the Kelvin movies, and Picard. We see Northerners in TNG, DS9, Voyager, Enterprise, Lower Decks, and Picard. Picard shows us both, with an explanation that implies the Northerners are a different race or subset of Romulans, so the assumption is that there are two main groups of Romulans seen across the series. The slight ridges on Selok that were removed or masked when she was Ambassador T'Pel shows us that they had no qualms at removing their ridges if need be, and this may have been a common practice in the 23rd century from some Northerners.

I don't know why you have such a problem with explanations. The DS9/Enterprise explanation is enough to explain away Discovery and its varying portrayal of Klingons who clearly tamper with their genetic makeup on a whim. Genetic engineering is rampant in Star Trek and that's been the case since the first season of TOS. That you people choose to ignore that and say there must be some larger explanation is frustrating and a lack of imagination, really. Half of the fun with Star Trek is working out the details that are implied but not quite stated.

 

[Bad Thoughts]

I don't know why you have such a problem with explanations. The DS9/Enterprise explanation is enough to explain away Discovery and its varying portrayal of Klingons who clearly tamper with their genetic makeup on a whim.

I'm not sure you even need to go as far as Enterprise. Trials and Tribble-ations perfectly modeled how we should approach these discontinuities that have evolved between the individual series.

• Speculate
• Joke
• Avoid
• Move on

 

[donners22]

I don't know why you have such a problem with explanations. The DS9/Enterprise explanation is enough to explain away Discovery and its varying portrayal of Klingons who clearly tamper with their genetic makeup on a whim. Genetic engineering is rampant in Star Trek and that's been the case since the first season of TOS. That you people choose to ignore that and say there must be some larger explanation is frustrating and a lack of imagination, really. Half of the fun with Star Trek is working out the details that are implied but not quite stated.

Er...I wasn't the one making an issue of different appearances. I was sarcastically responding to someone who was suggesting that previous series had explained it properly. "You people" indeed.

 

[Nerys Myk]

How Trials and Tribblelations should have handled the Klingons

 

[cooleddie74]

Augment Worf is a better parent Worf.

 

[Bad Thoughts]

I think that people are really missing the point if they are looking to Trials and Tribble-ations as a grandiose, continuity saving explanation for the Klingons. All the writers wanted to do was to create an episode in which their characters could be like fans caught in a Star Trek episode. It's full of fun in-jokes and humor. Even the moment when O'Brien thinks the guy at the bar is Kirkis funny because it was indeed Kirk--it was the actor who was Shatner's body and stunt double. The speculation about the Klingons is just a throwaway, reflecting fan discussions about the same topic.

 

[Nerys Myk]

I think that people are really missing the point if they are looking to Trials and Tribble-ations as a grandiose, continuity saving explanation for the Klingons. All the writers wanted to do was to create an episode in which their characters could be like fans caught in a Star Trek episode. It's full of fun in-jokes and humor. Even the moment when O'Brien thinks the guy at the bar is Kirk because it was indeed Kirk--it was the actor who was Shatner's body and stunt double. The speculation about the Klingons is just a throwaway, reflecting fan discussions about the same topic.

Humor, it is a difficult concept.

 

[Bad Thoughts]

Humor, it is a difficult concept.

IDK. The Pakleds could turn into blood thirsty killers.

 

[Nerys Myk]

IDK. The Pakleds could turn into blood thirsty killers.

We look for things that make you dead.

 

[cooleddie74]

Spending too much time on this board would do it.

 

[Mr Awe]

Anyone else find it weird Starfleet didn't recover ANY black boxes from any of its destroyed ships?

Yeah, that was pretty stupid.