I was really hoping for "fishy" to describe his allegations...
Joss Whedon "quits" his new series.
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I could see this still being about creative differences only they don't use those words because everyone knows what a cliche they have become. This isn't the old HBO anymore. I suspect artist are not going to be giving the same amount of creative leeway they were in the past. Also a show set in Victorian England is going to be expensive and hard to also deal with just in case of COVID being around longer than hoped. Also they might have plans to do more with a Snyder Cut universe so they will side with Fisher even if he is full of bullshit. Might be why he won't say what happened. All he has to do is imply something and let Twitter do it's work because twitter doesn't care about facts or logic.
Jason
Jason
This show was announced in July 2018. Whatever the reasons are he spent long enough, had the best part of two years before you could start blaming the Pandemic. All he ever seems to say is he's "exhausted." Jesus, Age of Ultron was 5.5 years ago. This is the guy who once thought it was a good idea to run three shows at once.
Well, seen as in the 2.5 years since this show was announced, we've literally had nothing to go on, the reaction has to be pretty "meh"
Well, seen as in the 2.5 years since this show was announced, we've literally had nothing to go on, the reaction has to be pretty "meh"
Yeah, it seemed like he stayed pretty busy for a while, with Buffy, and Angel, then Firefly, then Dollhouse, and then the MCU, but ever since Justice League it's like he just disappeared. I know he's been working on this, but he hasn't even been promoting it at the conventions and things like you would expect.
I know there was all of that controversy around his ex-wife's accusations, but that didn't really seem serious enough to cause him to disappear the way he has.
I know there was all of that controversy around his ex-wife's accusations, but that didn't really seem serious enough to cause him to disappear the way he has.
He's been creatively spent for a decade and a half. He's done one great thing. Everything since has been middling at best. Angel was nothing special. Firefly, despite its posthumous piety was only a little special, but nothing worth remembering for most people. Avengers wasn't any better than any of the other Marvel films. It was extra hyped by people who'd never been exposed to his brand of humor before -the infamous post-credit scene was probably something he had originally penned for Buffy and never found a place for it. Avengers 2 was a hot mess. And Justice League was a fucking disaster.
The fact that he's kind of a dick has been a known commodity for a long time - long before anything that happened during JL surfaced. His treatment of Charisma Carpenter has been a hot topic for a long time, for example.
The stuff with his wife was just the icing. And not just for what he did to her but because he had used his position and influence for sex.
The fact that he's kind of a dick has been a known commodity for a long time - long before anything that happened during JL surfaced. His treatment of Charisma Carpenter has been a hot topic for a long time, for example.
The stuff with his wife was just the icing. And not just for what he did to her but because he had used his position and influence for sex.
Well he is getting older and the workload and all the stress that went on with Age of Ultron I think has maybe finally caught up with him and that should also include the stress of Justice League. He had to rush and get it done while basically filming a brand new movie. I can totally buy exhausting because sometimes that is a combination of physical decline and mental fatigue.
Jason
Not true. Its origin is strictly that line of Iron Man's that they go out for Shawarma after the battle. Look carefully. They're at a Shawarma restaurant.
That was the big eye-opener for me. Fucking disgusting.
Because everything about that scene is intrinsic to shawarma and not - say - tacos.
The joke is the timing and framing. And it's very possible (likely) he conceived a nearly identical post-apocalypse scene for Buffy where they go out for Mexican. Because the show loved end on hard-cuts of similar scenes. Which was the greater point: all the humor in the film was just Whedon regurgitating his old material for a new audience.
But thanks for the pedanisim.
Just from interviews and public comments over the years, Joss always struck me as the kind of passive aggressive egotist that'll feign self deprecation, because he really does think he's that good and wants everyone else to think so too. Bit of a tortured creative martyr complex, basically.
It's the kind of personality that's not unusual in a creative, but if left unchecked can really fester into something ugly.
While I've yet to see anything terribly specific about what supposedly went down on the set of Justice League (but then I haven't really been following it all that closely), and at most the situation with Carpenter had more of a "vibe" than anything overtly venomous, it does seem to indicate a pattern of behaviour of someone very willing to use emotional manipulation to both assert his will and to place himself at the centre of his little corner of the universe.
This domesticated canine does not hunt.
It's the kind of personality that's not unusual in a creative, but if left unchecked can really fester into something ugly.
While I've yet to see anything terribly specific about what supposedly went down on the set of Justice League (but then I haven't really been following it all that closely), and at most the situation with Carpenter had more of a "vibe" than anything overtly venomous, it does seem to indicate a pattern of behaviour of someone very willing to use emotional manipulation to both assert his will and to place himself at the centre of his little corner of the universe.
That's kind of the point, no? WHAT workload!?
This domesticated canine does not hunt.
Well he has been working on this new show and I think he might have went straight from this from Justice League. It's more of all this stuff sort of building up along with the stress of divorce and the public starting to turn on him. Toss in COVID and can see how someone can just sort of run out of steam. This is why some people like Tarantino go years between making a movie. He seems to pace himself just doing whatever he wants. Where as others are always trying to stay busy.
Jason
Justice League hardly counts. That's a couple months work, at most, and it was three years ago.
Their is more to mental exhaustion than just physical labor. A couple of months on a movie that the studio is counting on to make billions of dollars and a time table and also your coming into a project started by someone else. I actually know a thing about stress because I haven't really worked in years because i'm on disability and still feel great stress. It's more about how your dealing with all of these things from a mental point-of-view. He was in major conflict with Ultron and then the stories about him cheating on his wife came out and then more conflict with the cast of Justice League and I am sure Studio pressure and fears of what is going to happen to your career and then you toss COVID into the mix while trying to create a new show for your return to tv and one that is going to be expensive to make because of he Victorian London setting. I can see that basically wearing someone down to a point where they want to quit. The studio might even be pissed he wanted to quit because they know his name is what is going to make people interested in this new show so they are not going to have lots of warm fuzzy things to say about him leaving.
Jason
Jason
Maybe he has a burnout, i know a couple of people who have It and you can't see It on the outside.
For what it's worth, he was also attached to a Batgirl movie, supposedly what he really wanted to do at DC. Officially, he said he spend a year a year not able to come up with a story, but this coming right after the huge success of Wonder Woman (for which it was a big deal to have a female director) and the misfire of Justice League (for which Whedon probably caught some heat, as well), it's not too hard to imagine he was just made to leave the project.
I forgot about Batgirl. Of course he also never got to make his version of Wonder Woman either and to top it off had his storyline ripped apart on the internet before he even got to really write a script to do rewrites so you were only looking at his early idea's I believe. Still that had to be hard since his writing is what he is most respected for. He is a brilliant writer and has gotten a lot of fan love because of it.
Jason
Jason
He did cultivate a pretty significant cult of personality that exploded after Firefly was axed.
I mean that's a red flag right there of someone well past his creative prime. I mean how does a writer with his credentials sit around for a whole year NOT thinking up a story for Batgirl? I mean, it's Batgirl. I could probably think up 5 workable premises right off the top of my head, as could just about anyone with even scant knowledge of the character (and that's just Barb, never mind Cass and Steph too!)
And never mind us amateurs; there's got to be a small army's worth of hungry female writers and directors who would kill to have a project like that drop into their laps! What a waste!
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