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Spoilers Ah, the NEW uniforms...!

Memory Alpha also indicates Kasha might be the first, but has no info in which of the unknown four is which.

But even if 5 out of 6 Tal hosts lived 100 years after joining, that would only put the first one 500 or so years earlier.

Odds are they just grabbed the "newest" uniform they could for the scene, because that's a long time for a uniform style to hang around.


Yes,I'm sure that something like this is exactly what happened! :D

We have to assume that, at least pre-Burn, the Tal symbiont was taken back to Trill and spent several periods there in the pools between some of those hosts.

We don't know for sure when the Picard 2399 uniforms were introduced but they clearly weren't around when JLP was still in Starfleet so they were probably relatively new at the time of Season 1. Even if that pattern of uniform had the same sort of longevity as the TWOK maroon jackets, and if that host recieved Tal near the end of that uniform period, we're still talking something like 700 years prior to the time of episode 3x04. In truth, they probably needed more like at least eight or nine hosts if they were planning to tie back to the Picard era and the very end of the TNG timeline. Maybe some Trill really do live longer than we have previously understood...
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Thank you for sharing your artwork. These are great at putting the so-far glimpsed uniforms into perspective.

Aw, thank you! My pleasure -- I doodle these things for fun; it's quite a good brain-dump pastime...!

I'm sure they're not 100% accurate and we'll find out more details as time goes by and we get better images of the real thing.

I suppose I just find it easier too explain with pictures than with a complex wordy description. I guess I'm obviously a fairly visual thinker...!
 
Curious, what's the best way to make Pips / ComBadges stick to a uniform without using a pin and clasp on the other side?

Assuming the design restriction is not puncturing the fabric of the uniform, what are the best options?

Snap Fasteners, Magnets, Velcro?
All of the Above?
 
The placement of those pips on the 3189 Admiral looks painful/uncomfortable. I would not want to press pips onto my collar on that particular location of my neck.

If you look at the hi-res pics of Oded Fehr's costume in the first post, that red centre-section of the collar, with the rank insignia attached, look like it is a separate piece -- you can see the free edges stick out slightly at each side.

On that note, if the other ranks all have their insignia as pips down the left-hand edge of the new combadge (transporter badge...?), it does seem a bit odd to have gone back to having a set of collar insignia for the admirals, let alone adding another version of the same insignia on black epaulettes. I don't know why they couldn't have designed a version of the chest badge with a pattern of insignia specific to the flag officers.

As far as I can see, it looks like Fehr's badge appears to have five "bumps" down the left hand side but will this be specific to his rank, which has five pips on the collar badges and five pips above five stripes on the epaulettes, or will five bumps be generic to all flag officers with other differentiation of rank dependent upon the secondary collar and shoulder insignia?

I guess time will tell...!
 
Senna Tal's combine is nearly identical to the one I deigned for TrekMovie over a year ago. It was guessing what the Picard badge might look like.
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https://trekmovie.com/2019/05/22/a-close-up-look-at-starfleet-uniforms-from-star-trek-picard/
 
Curious, what's the best way to make Pips / ComBadges stick to a uniform without using a pin and clasp on the other side?

Assuming the design restriction is not puncturing the fabric of the uniform, what are the best options?

Snap Fasteners, Magnets, Velcro?
All of the Above?

TNG-VOY used velcro for the combadges, but pins for the pips.

You can find magnetic backed combadges and rank pips on Etsy and Ebay.
 
Red is confirmed:
New scene from the trailer for 3x06 “Scavengers” in a Starfleet command centre or operations room has lots of officers wearing the standard grey jacket uniforms with a red stripe down the front:

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Interestingly, quite a few of these look like they might have both gold edging to the red stripe and also black shoulder straps, although worn front-to-back across the shoulders rather then along the shoulder like epaulettes. The look is reminiscent of the shoulder straps on some of the TMP uniforms and also the shoulder straps on the TWOK maroon jackets.

Best guess: this is the more usual "admiral" variant of the standard uniform and the version worn by Oded Fehr's character is more of a one-off uniform for the Commander in Chief.

It could be that they have added gold edging to the red for Captains, in the same was as they have used the additional gold on the shoulders of the original Discovery uniforms. Again, best guess:

Gold down one edge of the red and NO shoulder straps, just four pips on the transporter badge
= captain

Gold down both sides of the red PLUS shoulder straps
= admiral (with specific grade shown on the shoulder straps)

It'll be interesting to see if this turns out to be the case.
 
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Red is confirmed:
New scene from the trailer for 3x06 “Scavengers” in a Starfleet command centre or operations room has lots of officers wearing the standard grey jacket uniforms with a red stripe down the front:

Uy9S6Uv.png


uIf7OzX.png


geWEAxa.png


Interestingly, quite a few of these look like they might have both gold edging to the red stripe and also black shoulder straps, although worn front-to-back across the shoulders rather then along the shoulder like epaulettes. The look is reminiscent of the shoulder straps on some of the TMP uniforms and also the shoulder straps on the TWOK maroon jackets.

Best guess: this is the more usual "admiral" variant of the standard uniform and the version worn by Oded Fehr's character is more of a one-off uniform for the Commander in Chief.

It could be that they have added gold edging to the red for Captains, in the same was as they have used the additional gold on the shoulders of the original Discovery uniforms. Again, best guess:

Gold down one edge of the red and NO shoulder straps, just four pips on the transporter badge
= captain

Gold down both sides of the red PLUS shoulder straps
= admiral (with specific grade shown on the shoulder straps)

It'll be interesting to see if this turns out to be the case.

Cardassian Captain! And it looks like Cardassia Prime is being referenced on that display.
 
Updated sketch:

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I'm sure this will not be 100% correct, but it's a rough idea of what they're doing with these uniforms for now, until we get to see more details.

So, from left to right - Starfleet commander-in-chief, Starfleet flag officer (command division), Starfleet captain (command division), operations division officer, science division officer, and medical division officer. Right?
 
So, from left to right - Starfleet commander-in-chief, Starfleet flag officer (command division), Starfleet captain (command division), operations division officer, science division officer, and medical division officer. Right?

That seems to be the basic thrust of the gist, yeah.
 
So, from left to right - Starfleet commander-in-chief, Starfleet flag officer (command division), Starfleet captain (command division), operations division officer, science division officer, and medical division officer. Right?

Yeah, that's pretty much it, based upon the very limited information we have so far.

...but this is just my best guess, none of it is confirmed.

I've used gold badge and gold on the collar patch (whatever that is meant to be) for Captain and then silver for all the other grades. It could be that the badges and collar patches will vary by division rather than by rank (e.g. gold for command, silver for sciences and medical and so on) but I can't see enough to tell at this point.

I also don't know if the other admiral uniforms have the ranks on the collar like Fehr's character or if they just have the same "standard" collar patches as all other officers -- it might well be this.

We'll know more pretty soon...!
 
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