Spoilers The Mandalorian season 2 discussion

[maneth]

I enjoyed the first episode of the season, even if it wasn't particularly original.

I don't think I want to see the second episode again. Baby Yoda was worse than useless and I hated the way the audience was supposed to laugh at him eating the eggs. How did Mando manage to fix the ship in such a short time all by himself? Granted that only the cockpit was spaceworthy, but still... The Passenger was the only cool character this time.

 

[Richard Baker]

Star Wars has always had a streak of morbid dark comedy running through it. Hell this episode starts with a comedic death via jetpack but nobody raises a fuss due to the schadenfreude.

As mentioned above, Yoda and little Frogwai's species has clearly carnivorous and even predatory traits. He's acting not differently than one might expect a cat to act if you leave live rodent young where they can get at them
It may even be that this species is inherently vicious, and Yoda was very much an outlier. Hell, for all we know one of these founded the Sith Order!

I think it would be hilarious if, when we finally meet others of Yoda's race and they all talk normally

 

[Reverend]

I think it would be hilarious if, when we finally meet others of Yoda's race and they all talk normally

I don't see any reason why a speech pattern would be a genetic trait. IIRC Frank Oz's thoughts on the matter were that Yoda is so old that he's speaking in an archaic, more formal dialect from that "more civilized age" Obi Wan mentioned.

 

[Turtletrekker]

I don't see any reason why a speech pattern would be a genetic trait. IIRC Frank Oz's thoughts on the matter were that Yoda is so old that he's speaking in an archaic, more formal dialect from that "more civilized age" Obi Wan mentioned.

The only problem with that is that if they ever make a movie set in that "more civilized age", then everybody would have to talk like that.

 

[JD]

As mentioned above, Yoda and little Frogwai's species has clearly carnivorous and even predatory traits. He's acting not differently than one might expect a cat to act if you leave live rodent young where they can get at them.
It may even be that this species is inherently vicious, and Yoda was very much an outlier. Hell, for all we know one of these founded the Sith Order!

So I guess we know another reason Yoda settled on Dagobah after the rise of the Empire, lots and lots of food.

 

[Richard Baker]

One person suggested if Yoda read Shakespeare it would come out sounding like normal English ...

 

[Kor]

Episode 2: 8/10 for me. I found it quite engaging. I just wish it was a little longer. It would have been a nice book-end to make it to the planet and show frog lady and her husband reunited.

(and hopefully she wasn't keeping close tabs on how many eggs were in the tank )

Kor

 

[Reverend]

The only problem with that is that if they ever make a movie set in that "more civilized age", then everybody would have to talk like that.

Yeah, I don't expect 'The High Republic' stories to all be written in reverse grammar...

So I guess we know another reason Yoda settled on Dagobah after the rise of the Empire, lots and lots of food.

There's literally a canon comic book story where he gets meat cravings and goes hunting with a bow and arrow...

 

[JD]

The Age of... series are on my list, so I'll probably be checking that one out fairly soon.

 

[Saul]

We battery farm birds so that we can eat their last chance to have kids with a nice crispy slice of pig that never had a chance to have kids, washed down with a nice cold drink of something that was supposed to nuture a creature's kids, but you've got it instead.

Sure, but those farm birds aren't in communication with us. We don't see them as an equal species. They can't pay us to transport them somewhere on their request. They don't wear clothes.

 

[Irvy]

Sure, but those farm birds aren't in communication with us. We don't see them as an equal species. They can't pay us to transport them somewhere on their request. They don't wear clothes.

That's all semantics. We don't know how self aware our lifestock animals are. All animals communicate, and anyone who's worked closely with any type of animal will develop a rapport and an ability to communicate, even if that's limited to body language. And that frog lady is just a giant version of one of baby Yoda's favourite snacks. You cannot apply 21st century morals and standards to an infant whatever he is, from a long time ago and a long way away. Especially when all the "people" you're talking about are puppets, whether that's rubber or digital. It's a puppet! On a fantasy show. You're perfectly ok with Mando offing sentient beings left right and centre, you're not on here crying about the children they never got to have. He disintegrated Jawas, not a beef.

Cancel Tom and Jerry, it normalises animal cruelty. Or, maybe, turn your television off and go read a nonfiction book.

 

[plynch]

Sure, but those farm birds aren't in communication with us. We don't see them as an equal species. They can't pay us to transport them somewhere on their request. They don't wear clothes.

These are all true. I just don't know that they are reasons we should eat them. Whereas sentience and self-awareness would lead us not to.

On what do we base sentience as the dividing line for not-ok-to-eat?

Been thinking about this for two years, and I am coming down to pain, even to dumb chickens as the dividing line. Factory-farmed meat is a no-go for me, and I'm aware this should apply to eggs, which would be easy to do in my rural area.

It's a process. Not trying to sound woke or holier than thou (plural). Peace and love.

 

[Irvy]

These are all true. I just don't know that they are reasons we should eat them. Whereas sentience and self-awareness would lead us not to.

On what do we base sentience as the dividing line for not-ok-to-eat?

Been thinking about this for two years, and I am coming down to pain, even to dumb chickens as the dividing line. Factory-farmed meat is a no-go for me, and I'm aware this should apply to eggs, which would be easy to do in my rural area.

It's a process. Not trying to sound woke or holier than thou (plural). Peace and love.

That's all fair and I agree with a lot of it, I want us to go back to local farming and production, and the virus might lead us down that route whether we like it or not. Go shout at your local food market about it. Campaign for farm to fork groups. Cook your own dinner from scratch. Grow your own veggies in your garden. Keep some chickens. All of those things are constructive. None of this is Baby Yoda's fault. All he did was hold some cgi balls in front of his mouth and they disappeared with a pop. He didn't even have to chew. It's a cartoon.

 

[fireproof78]

That's all fair and I agree with a lot of it, I want us to go back to local farming and production, and the virus might lead us down that route whether we like it or not. Go shout at your local food market about it. Campaign for farm to fork groups. Cook your own dinner from scratch. Grow your own veggies in your garden. Keep some chickens. All of those things are constructive. None of this is Baby Yoda's fault. All he did was hold some cgi balls in front of his mouth and they disappeared with a pop. He didn't even have to chew. It's a cartoon.

Again, if it is all make believe then no objection will ever solid. But, stories are to evoke emotions, and the whole egg thing clearly hits people on a personal level. Especially based upon what was presented in the story.

 

[Irvy]

Again, if it is all make believe then no objection will ever solid. But, stories are to evoke emotions, and the whole egg thing clearly hits people on a personal level. Especially based upon what was presented in the story.

Then maybe those people shouldn't be watching television.

 

[fireproof78]

Then maybe those people shouldn't be watching television.

The whole point behind a story is to evoke emotion and a reaction from the audience. The story clearly presents the eggs as being a person's last chance at having children and then callously has a main character eat them. Why wouldn't there be an emotional reaction?

Or, am I to gather that emotional reactions to fiction are not OK?

 

[Irvy]

The whole point behind a story is to evoke emotion and a reaction from the audience. The story clearly presents the eggs as being a person's last chance at having children and then callously has a main character eat them. Why wouldn't there be an emotional reaction?

Or, am I to gather that emotional reactions to fiction are not OK?

Well there you go, you learnt something out of all this. With everything that's actually going on in the world that people are keeping quiet about, getting your panties in a bunch over a bit of fiction is informative behaviour, from a psychological point of view, if you know what I mean.

 

[fireproof78]

Well there you go, you learnt something out of all this. With everything that's actually going on in the world that people are keeping quiet about, getting your panties in a bunch over a bit of fiction is informative behaviour, from a psychological point of view, if you know what I mean.

People have been getting emotional over fiction for a long time. I don't think that is about to change nor do I think that people who are responding in an emotional should not be watching television.

 

[Booji]

The whole point behind a story is to evoke emotion and a reaction from the audience. The story clearly presents the eggs as being a person's last chance at having children and then callously has a main character eat them. Why wouldn't there be an emotional reaction?

Or, am I to gather that emotional reactions to fiction are not OK?

 

[Kor]

I wish they would end with little 30-second teasers of the following week's episode, to give us something to be excited about for the next several days.

Kor