• Welcome! The TrekBBS is the number one place to chat about Star Trek with like-minded fans.
    If you are not already a member then please register an account and join in the discussion!

Do you think paranormal activity (that can't be explained by science) still goes on in Star Trek?

Well some characters in Star Trek, including Jean-Luc Picard himself do express personal believes that there must be more to life/existence/the universe than we can see and measure.
And with all the weird stuff they encounter there's probably quite a bit they can't fully explain and that might seem "haunted".
 
In Voyager Coda, the alien posing as Janeway's dad makes a comment about how people are always claiming to see ghosts, but their existence has never been proven. So yeah, they're probably are still some ghost stories at least in the 24th century.
 
TNG "Night Terrors" has that comment from a crewman, about having seen somebody in an old Starfleet uniform getting into a lift but not stepping out at the other end.

Likely not a ghost though... Probably a time-travelling Archer, I guess! :lol:
 
Last edited:
Only twice during the ride from the bottom of the warp core to the upper level. So probably not him after all.

I could see Jean-Luc "My best fiend is a God" Picard being particularly thick-skinned when it comes to the supernatural. But who among those working on board a starship could claim that ghosts aren't real? (It is only the "ghosts aren't real" bunch that can go on believing in the paranormal in that respect anyway; the ones who have to chase 'em buggers out of the transporter pattern buffer or from beneath the CMO's bed aren't going to dignify them with the "para" prefix.)

Timo Saloniemi
 
No. Only activity we don’t know how to explain with science yet.

But of course some people still believe in them. They just might be harder to impress. See a flying saucer? There’s thousands up there and they are definitely aliens. Strange light shows? I’m familiar with transporters and holograms thank you.
 
  • Like
Reactions: Sci
Maybe not what the original poster was thinking of as "paranormal" - but all of the psychic powers of the Vulcans, Betazoids, Talosians, etc. are just that.
 
I've been in a haunted house all night nothing happened. Either the ghosts were having a day off or they just don't exist.
 
  • Like
Reactions: Sci
The phrase "that can't be explained by science" is meaningless.

Yes, exactly. It's a fundamental misunderstanding of what science is, this notion that it's some fixed, unchanging dogma. It's the exact opposite of that, and I hate it when fiction misrepresents it that way. The entire purpose of science is to grow -- to examine things that are beyond current science and figure out how they work. If something is real, then science can observe it, describe it, codify its workings, and formulate testable theories of how and why it works that way.

A couple of centuries ago, if you'd told scientists about relativity and quantum physics, they'd have dismissed them as impossible flights of fancy. Today, they're the foundation of modern physics. Because they were real, science grew to encompass them, which is the entire point of science. The only things that are permanently "beyond science" are things that don't actually exist, that are just superstition and fraud. "This can never be explained by science" is a smokescreen used by charlatans who know their claims can't hold up to scrutiny.

Therefore, in a hypothetical universe where psionics or magic or ghosts or gods existed, they would be a real, observable part of the physics of that universe, and thus there would be branches of science that studied them and figured out their workings. There are a number of fantasy universes that depict magic being studied and worked with as a scientific discipline, for instance Larry Niven's The Magic Goes Away universe, Diane Duane's Young Wizards/Feline Wizards universe, and Jim Butcher's The Dresden Files. Duane in particular treats magic and physics as effectively interchangeable and inseparably intertwined. Magic is part of that universe's physics, as everything within a given universe would have to be.

This is what I like about Ghostbusters -- unlike a lot of popular fiction, it doesn't perpetuate the toxic lie that science is a finite discipline unable to encompass new knowledge. It portrays a world where ghosts are real and scientists have developed workable, effective means to study and contain them using existing technology. They're not something fundamentally apart from the physics of that world, they're part of the physics of that world and can be interacted with through physical means. That's the only way it could work. If something is part of the universe, it's part of the laws of that universe, not some completely disconnected thing. You can't have it both ways.

In the Trek universe, psionics is a proven and understood science. We saw from the start in "Where No Man Has Gone Before" that they had codified tests of esper ratings and the ability to measure psionic ability. That's an artifact of TOS being created in a time when science and science fiction took claims of telepathy and psionic powers somewhat seriously; in the case of SF, that was largely due to the pervasive influence of John W. Campbell, who was a firm believer in such things. So TOS's writers assumed the psychic research that was trendy at the time would pan out and be advanced further in the future. But within the context of the fictional world, it's all real and understood by science. Psionic energy can be scanned. Disembodied consciousnesses are known to exist as energy patterns, and can be technologically swapped between bodies ("Return to Tomorrow," "Turnabout Intruder") or stored in inanimate objects (Sargon's globes, Vulcan katric arks) or specific types of energy matrix ("Lonely Among Us," "Coda"). Incorporeal entities are commonplace, many with abilities we would describe as godlike.

Pretty much everything that's part of traditional myth and superstition has a physically real, scientifically understood counterpart in the Trek universe. Future science has expanded to incorporate and demystify it. So what's left?
 
I have to agree that eventually things get explained and tested. Just like science.

Even in SUPERNATURAL, various beings all follow a set of rules that have been established by tested methods from Hunters and Men of Letters. It's the attempt at figuring out those rules that is the challenge.

"Any sufficiently advanced technology will be indistinguishable from magic."

Show a cell phone to a human 1,000 years ago, and he'll call you a magician.
 
Pretty much everything that's part of traditional myth and superstition has a physically real, scientifically understood counterpart in the Trek universe. Future science has expanded to incorporate and demystify it. So what's left?
Hopefully more dimensions, interdimensional beings and new galaxies. Sounds like a lot of fun.

Reminds me a bit of the Dresden Files with the "Never-Never" as another dimension but still operates within its own rules. And outside the known universe are "Old Ones" trying to get back in and destroy the universe. I like stuff like that.
 
Hopefully more dimensions, interdimensional beings and new galaxies. Sounds like a lot of fun.

Yeah, but that's new science to discover. When I said "What's left," what I meant was that everything we consider supernatural today has a "scientific" equivalent or explanation in the Trek future, so what's left that could still be considered supernatural? My whole point is that nothing would be supernatural, because it's all just new science.

Indeed, I think the very word "supernatural" is meaningless. Anything that exists is part of the universe, therefore part of nature. Sure, things like magic or psionics or whatever your fantasy universe possesses are beyond our everyday experience of nature, but so are things like time dilation and quantum tunneling. It's naive to mistake the limits on our commonplace experience for the limits on what's encompassed by nature. In a fictional universe where magic or ghosts existed, they would be part of its nature, therefore not supernatural.
 
Yeah, but that's new science to discover. When I said "What's left," what I meant was that everything we consider supernatural today has a "scientific" equivalent or explanation in the Trek future, so what's left that could still be considered supernatural? My whole point is that nothing would be supernatural, because it's all just new science.

Indeed, I think the very word "supernatural" is meaningless. Anything that exists is part of the universe, therefore part of nature. Sure, things like magic or psionics or whatever your fantasy universe possesses are beyond our everyday experience of nature, but so are things like time dilation and quantum tunneling. It's naive to mistake the limits on our commonplace experience for the limits on what's encompassed by nature. In a fictional universe where magic or ghosts existed, they would be part of its nature, therefore not supernatural.
I guess that's the very literal definition of the word and yeah it wouldn't apply in Trek world.

That said, I do prefer it as a colloquialism :)
 
If you are not already a member then please register an account and join in the discussion!

Sign up / Register


Back
Top