It's the only way I've ever engaged with Trek. I love technical manuals but even those don't satisfy like my brain's own imagination does.It's at the core of this fandom.Perhaps to a fault.
Spoilers Star Trek: Discovery 3x03 - "People of Earth"
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Obviously, tractor beams have been improved upon over the last 1000 years.
Good point. Maybe transporters are improved too. I believe Saru asked the shields to be raised just before the UE dudes beamed in.
So it can change size.......... I hope that's addressed later on
By the time Discovery reached 3188, Burnham had already been there for a year. She was probably asking about her crewmates the whole time. Perhaps Zareh picked up on the gossip resulting from that?
They say they are are constantly on guard for attack from dilithium pirates, so they were definitely watching space for incursions, and would have to be watching at all times to have an effective defense. So they definitely do care what is going on around them as long as it is coming their way.What's so complicated or dubious about Isolationist Earth not having their sensors scanning the galaxy 24 hours a day seven days a week.
It's pretty obvious from the episode that at this time, they just don't give a damn about what's going on out there.
They are only concerned when things happen right in their own immediate backyard...
It's their "Get Off My Lawn" attitude that says it all.
Assuming no loss of technical capability their detection range should be at least equal to the Federation relay station, so a 150 ly radius of range. If they lose detection range, that would still put them down to several light years, keeping it to TNG levels. If they lost an inexplicable amount of sophistication, and only have optical and radio telescopes similar to today's, they could detect objects out to at least Mars orbit, such as with Oumuamua. Earth's detection range also falls short of Burnham's guess of Earth's maximum, which would be based on her year of experience, a detection range just short of Saturn (which is inconsistent with the relay station). Discovery was also never challenged before arriving in orbit despite, likely, making a bee line for Earth.
That also indicates a communication range vastly inferior than today, since we can communicate from Earth with Voyager 1 which is 150 AU away.
How close it gets seems to be the question. How effective their tech is remains to be seen.
I get that Trek assumes that tech constantly grows with each year but I'm not one of these people who thinks that all tech must advance all the time no matter what. So, maybe for me it's different, but I'm not going to assume they are automatically capable of what TNG levels are or whatnot.
Again I say, it's very obvious that they only care about what's going on in their own immediate backyard.
They aren't looking out much further than perhaps Mars. (or even less)
They have no reason to because THEY DON'T CARE.
That's what being an 'ISOLATIONIST' is all about.
They may well have the ability to scan half the galaxy, but they don't use it because it's not their concern.
They have an excellent DEFENSIVE FORCE that can probably handle just about anything short of a Borg Armada, so to them, looking at what the rest of the galaxy is doing is just a waste of time.
Just because they don't use it doesn't mean they don't have it.
How can anyone not see that based on what happened in the episode?
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Unless at one time Earth was bombed back to the stone age being 900 years older than TNG they are expected to be way more advanced than the TNG era. It would be a poor joke if they were not.
Look how far we have come in our own time with technology since 2000, and that is only 20 years ago.
I don't expect Trek to reflect that.
Because they state they do care about what is going on, deeply, because of repeated dilithium raids, and that is the extent of what they care about in regard to outside issues. Being isolationist just means they don't care about foreign politics or needs, so they have no outside connections. So taken together, they should have a robust detection system with as much range as possible, they should know the raids come from Titan, and they should refuse communication except to warn off intruders. It makes them a lot less nice, and a lot harder to solve.Again I say, it's very obvious that they only care about what's going on in their own immediate backyard.
They aren't looking out much further than perhaps Mars. (or even less)
They have no reason to because THEY DON'T CARE.
That's what being an 'ISOLATIONIST' is all about.
They may well have the ability to scan half the galaxy, but they don't use it because it's not their concern.
They have an excellent DEFENSIVE FORCE that can probably handle just about anything short of a Borg Armada, so to them, looking at what the rest of the galaxy is doing is just a waste of time.
Just because they don't use it doesn't mean they don't have it.
How can anyone not see that based on what happened in the episode?
A better setup would be to give Earth a shield system so robust they no longer monitor their sensors and long range communication systems. The episode could have been about Discovery getting through because, despite its age, the system automatically recognizes it as a friend, which freaks Earth out once they catch on. The Titans detect Discovery passing through the shield, and send a fleet. Earth freaks out again, because now they're monitoring things and have no idea who arrived, because their ship registry and identifier is hopelessly outdated, and their faith in the shield has been shaken. Earth is going to turn its defensive weapons on if Discovery can't quickly teach them the value of diplomacy.
Must be that programable matter.
I'm thinking that might explain it but if it's the ship what happens to the stuff inside that part of the ship?
Stored in transporter buffers.
Which makes the tech magitech almost.... You could have a ship that has extensions and when you don't need them everything is stored in pattern buffers.... I like the idea but it's a bit OP
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The ship had artificial gravity and the bombs were dropped straight down, so they would have fallen out at that force and kept going. (also according to supplementary books, they were launched by magnetic rails)
Also the ships appeared to be close enough to the planet, that at least 90% of the planets gravity would still effect the bombs, assuming the planet is 1G, that's still 0.9Gs
There's no evidence of size change. We didn't even seen the ship in Episode 2, just the tractor beam, and being the 32nd century, his tractor beam could be super powerful compared to others we've seen.
We see it fold around in the intro
Eh I feel like those are different because they’re energy, probably had some sort of targeting mechanism for aimingAlso, this:
OK I'll have to look at the intro again. Makes sense then.