Spoilers Star Trek: Discovery 3x03 - "People of Earth"

[Angry Fanboy]

Maybe they did.

Back in the day, there was a DS9 episode where Martok mentioned the Klingons sending temporal assault fleets back in time to prevent the Empire's enemies from ever existing. Those fleets were of course never heard from again, and effectively their missions all failed (since everybody knows that history was not, in fact, changed).

So the Klingons probably just figured that trying to mess around with history was dishonorable, or a waste of effort. Or both.

Just to clear up the confusion - as a couple of people have pointed out the whole 'Klingon fleets being sent back in time' thing wasn't part of any Deep Space Nine episode. This was mentioned in the Millennium Trilogy of DS9 books.

 

[Crazyewok]

I didn't know that... but it fits what I think. I'm still imagining the Vuclans have turned.

Would have the biggest impact on Michael to.

One thing Discovery will definitely need is a tactical upgrade. One blast and their shields are out isn't going to cut it. And I'm going to assume Saturn doesn't exactly have the most advanced weaponry. So if Discovery ever goes up against anyone serious, as it is right now, they're fucked.

In Voyager you had a 29th century fed shuttle nearly destroy Voyager in 2 shots.

 

[Mike Doyle]

For a good 10 seconds I genuinely thought Boothby was going to turn up tending the tree and they would all recognise him implying he was a thousand years old!

 

[jackoverfull]

Just to clear up the confusion - as a couple of people have pointed out the whole 'Klingon fleets being sent back in time' thing wasn't part of any Deep Space Nine episode. This was mentioned in the Millennium Trilogy of DS9 books.

Which of course are not canon. Thanks for the clarification.

For a good 10 seconds I genuinely thought Boothby was going to turn up tending the tree and they would all recognise him implying he was a thousand years old!

well, in a universe where Mathusalem is real I wouldn’t have a problem with that!

 

[SJGardner]

For a good 10 seconds I genuinely thought Boothby was going to turn up tending the tree and they would all recognise him implying he was a thousand years old!

Who knows, maybe Species 8472 Boothby eventually decided he liked being Boothby so much that he took over for him after he died. Stranger things have happened

 

[Tuskin38]

I took a screenie and circled the part where I think the building is:

Cool if that’s what it is.

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

Just to clear up the confusion - as a couple of people have pointed out the whole 'Klingon fleets being sent back in time' thing wasn't part of any Deep Space Nine episode. This was mentioned in the Millennium Trilogy of DS9 books.

Sorry.

 

[Locutus of Bored]

For a good 10 seconds I genuinely thought Boothby was going to turn up tending the tree and they would all recognise him implying he was a thousand years old!

I would have laughed if they had someone dressed up and with hair like Boothby tending the grounds in the background somewhere. No explanation, just leave it up to the viewer's imagination.

Is it just a lookalike, a hologram, android, Species 8472 or other shapeshifters, or the original who lives for millennia like Flint? The fights over this inconsequential background figure would be glorious.

 

[Gingerbread Demon]

I would have laughed if they had someone dressed up and with hair like Boothby tending the grounds in the background somewhere. No explanation, just leave it up to the viewer's imagination.

Is it just a lookalike, a hologram, android, Species 8472 or other shapeshifters, or the original who lives for millennia like Flint? The fights over this inconsequential background figure would be glorious.

They should retroactively edit that into future prints of the episode

 

[Tim Thomason]

I took a screenie and circled the part where I think the building is:

I wonder what that is. Is it the UEDF Academy? A Starfleet Museum? Just some rando business or organization operating out of the former Academy HQ?

I hope they spend a little more time on Earth before heading out to Trillius Prime or whatever.

 

[Deks]

Would have the biggest impact on Michael to.

In Voyager you had a 29th century fed shuttle nearly destroy Voyager in 2 shots.

Yes, and back then I was surprised that Braxton took as long with his beam to disintegrate Voyager... his ship was 500 years ahead of Voyager after all... it should have been able to destroy Voyager in just 1 shot from a low power phaser array (you do realize that 500 year is a RIDICULOUS amount of time - just 100 years would be enough to 1 kill shot a century old ship in Trek - we've seen it with the Constitution class USS Defiant destroying Mirror Universe 22nd century ships with 1 or 2 short phaser bursts).

Realistically speaking, I don't think the Discovery would have survived just 2 Quantum torpedoes from the 24th century (evermind 2 of them from the 32nd).

But, Adira installed the personal transporter frequencies blocker, and its possible those frequencies were close enough to the torpedo frequencies which allowed Discovery to at least partially absorb/nullify those torpedoes while suffering moderate damage (and Disco also has Sphere Data which already incorporated itself and protected itself before... so it may be using its own databases to adapt to the new technology it encountered since arriving in the 32nd century - not enough to make huge changes yet, but enough to possibly prevent immediate destruction coupled with Adira's transporter frequency blocker).

 

[Bad Thoughts]

I wonder what that is. Is it the UEDF Academy? A Starfleet Museum? Just some rando business or organization operating out of the former Academy HQ?

It may still have been Starfleet, but more like an embassy, until the Admiral died.

 

[Lord Garth]

Realistically speaking, I don't think the Discovery would have survived just 2 Quantum torpedoes from the 24th century (nevermind 2 of them from the 32nd).

My take:

1) A first quantum torpedo would knock out most of Discovery's shields (if they were at 100%).
2) A second quantum torpedo would take out what little there was left of the shields and inflict extremely heavy damage. In a sensitive enough area, that would be it. But if not...
3) A third quantum torpedo would finish the job for good measure.

If I remember DS9 correctly, the Defiant fired quantum torpedoes pretty fast. Giving the Discovery no reaction time between shots.

That having been said...

But, Adira installed the personal transporter frequencies blocker, and its possible those frequencies were close enough to the torpedo frequencies which allowed Discovery to at least partially absorb/nullify those torpedoes while suffering moderate damage (and Disco also has Sphere Data which already incorporated itself and protected itself before... so it may be using its own databases to adapt to the new technology it encountered since arriving in the 32nd century - not enough to make huge changes yet, but enough to possibly prevent immediate destruction coupled with Adira's transporter frequency blocker).

I hadn't thought about that, but I think you might be right.

 

[fireproof78]

Who knows, maybe Species 8472 Boothby eventually decided he liked being Boothby so much that he took over for him after he died. Stranger things have happened

If Species 8472 shows up it would be really weird.

 

[Bad Thoughts]

Earth is not likely hostile to the Federation as it first appears in the episode. Not only did they allow Admiral Tal to continue to operate on Earth, they allowed the joined entity that took his symbiont to become part of Earth's defense force. Moreover, I would guess that Adira was not present on Discovery at random. She was placed into the inspection team specifically because the symbiont had knowledge of older Starfleet technology. It may even be that Earth is hoping that some effort to revive the Federation succeeds.

 

[Tim Thomason]

Yeah, and the DF was especially hesitant because of the likely possibility this was just a pirate attack by someone who got hold of an ancient Starfleet vessel and was claiming ignorance.

 

[Bad Thoughts]

This is in fact a very political episode, akin to Homefront/Paradise Lost. The entity (Earth/United States) that once put political and economic cooperation at the forefront of efforts for widespread interstellar/international peace has, for some combination or reasons, walked away.

 

[RAMA]

Discovery is top 5 in the world on Netflix today and with a higher score than last week.

 

[Deks]

My take:

1) A first quantum torpedo would knock out most of Discovery's shields (if they were at 100%).
2) A second quantum torpedo would take out what little there was left of the shields and inflict extremely heavy damage. In a sensitive enough area, that would be it. But if not...
3) A third quantum torpedo would finish the job for good measure.

If I remember DS9 correctly, the Defiant fired quantum torpedoes pretty fast. Giving the Discovery no reaction time between shots.

That having been said...

I hadn't thought about that, but I think you might be right.

I just don't see any other 23rd century ship surviving even a single quantum torpedo from the 32nd century.
Even with shields at 100%, we're talking about 930 years differential... that's just mind bogging massive difference (which is why I think the effect we saw may have been with late 24th century Quantum torpedoes... but definitely NOT 32nd century).

Even 100 years difference would be enough for a 24th century ship to destroy a 23rd century ship with same ease as the TOS Defiant did to 22nd century ships in the Mirror Universe.
The technology would simply speaking progress WAY too fast for a technologically advanced alliance of dozens to over a hundred different species working together.

This is why I think the 'only' possible way Disco could have survived is because of Adira's transporter frequency inhibitor and Disco's Spehere data modifying its own systems to start compensating (or a synergy of both).
Adira's little device tapped into Disco's shields, and Disco's main computer would have analysed how that is done in seconds and with the help of the Sphere data come up with a very rough patch that could provide partial protection against modern weapons (obviously not enough to nullify it all together though because the entire ship didn't have NEARLY enough time to modify its other systems to create a more up to date technology in an older frame).

 

[Lord Garth]

I just don't see any other 23rd century ship surviving even a single quantum torpedo from the 32nd century.
Even with shields at 100%, we're talking about 930 years differential... that's just mind bogging massive difference (which is why I think the effect we saw may have been with late 24th century Quantum torpedoes... but definitely NOT 32nd century).

Even 100 years difference would be enough for a 24th century ship to destroy a 23rd century ship with same ease as the TOS Defiant did to 22nd century ships in the Mirror Universe.
The technology would simply speaking progress WAY too fast for a technologically advanced alliance of dozens to over a hundred different species working together.

To be clear, I was talking about 24th Century ships in my post. That's why I referred to the Defiant.

I don't think there was as much of a difference between 23rd Century and 24th Century ships as there was between the 22nd and 23rd.