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CBS/Paramount sues to stop Axanar 2 - Electric Boogaloo-Fanboys gone WILD-too many hyphens

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While Prelude might not have the same impact on new viewers today, it's important to remember that back in 2014 there was no official Star Trek being released except the JJ movies which (being new) drew criticism from a vocal segment of the fanbase.
Prelude showed us TOS uniforms, classic ship designs, legacy actors and other trappings of "proper" Star Trek. And the production values were amazing.

But most importantly of course, Prelude was designed as an extended trailer for the full movie. By only hinting of what was to come, it allowed people to build up the movie in their minds to be as awesome as they wanted it to be - and Prelude was a part of that mental process, hence the nostalgia for it held by many still today.

As a film on its own, Prelude is a bunch of talking heads with high production values which point towards a film that never came out (and never will). Effectively, it's an empty promise and without that essential follow-up, I can understand why new viewers don't immediately leap on board declaring it to be "the best Trek ever!!!"

And besides, now we have Trek back on TV again :biggrin:
 
Not to go off topic but I get annoyed when people say wonder instead of wander. You wander around a city, not wonder.

To come back on topic - we are two months away from fourth anniversary of the court case being settled. Since then CBS have released three seasons of Discovery, one of Picard and one of Lower Decks, and two seasons of Short Treks. Not bad for something that is not "real" Star Trek whereas neither Axanar nor Interlude have been released.
 
Not to go off topic but I get annoyed when people say wonder instead of wander. You wander around a city, not wonder.

To come back on topic - we are two months away from fourth anniversary of the court case being settled. Since then CBS have released three seasons of Discovery, one of Picard and one of Lower Decks, and two seasons of Short Treks. Not bad for something that is not "real" Star Trek whereas neither Axanar nor Interlude have been released.
While you're thinking about word meanings, look up the definitions of "prolific" and "good." They don't mean the same thing, and plenty of bad shows have had multiple seasons, and I'm sure a few have even had spin offs.
 
Reading some of those positive reviews just brings me back to the question I've been asking since I first saw Prelude: What is it about this tripe that its fans see in it that I'm missing?

A format that Trek hadn't really tackled before, the faux documentary.

I'll admit that the first 2014 "documentary style" production is what really hooked me. It was something that was never done before (and I love History Channel documentaries)

This.

Case in point: I watched a History Channel documentary back in the nineties about the Battle of Midway that included both archival and digital footage of the battle that was ten times as intense and engaging as the footage in Prelude.

Star Trek, even at its best, simply isn't as engaging as a real conflict, where real lives are/were at stake. It is an inherent limit to entertainment.

As a side note, Mark Felton Productions on YouTube does a great job of documenting various conflicts (primarily WWII) in 5-25 minute chunks.
 
Prelude showed us TOS uniforms, classic ship designs, legacy actors and other trappings of "proper" Star Trek. And the production values were amazing.
I think this part is the best reason why. The visual trappings appear to make a Trek "proper" and those who were dissatisfied (to put it mildly) with Abrams' Trek clung on to it, while insisting that CBS had it wrong.

And that was enough since, as you noted, there was no other Trek on the horizon aside from Abrams Axanar offered a weird ray of "hope." And, now it's just stuck despite all the broken promises. Hope springth eternal.
 
As for all those other talented people, personally I'd like to see them all band together and do their own version of Axanar without Alec. Let him sue over it. He's likely to lose anyway.
^^^
FYI - Due to the Settlement Agreement he has with CBS/Paramount; he'd have no standing in court to be able to even bring such a lawsuit if others made use of any of his Axanar lore. (CBS itself could sue away - but yeah, Peters can't).

All peter's current lawsuits (and lawsuit threats) have been either:
- Defamation...

- Defendant cheated me out of funds from a transaction...

- I loaned Defendant money/Paid Defendant as a work for hire and was never re-paid/Defended never did the work I asked for but still took the payment...

He's NEVER sued for "Hey 'Axanar' is my copywritten IP separate from the actual 'Star Trek' IP..." because again, he has zero standing to make such a legal claim based on the CBS settlement; and could be found in 'Breach of Settlement' or sued again by CBS if they (CBS) were so inclined.
 
While Prelude might not have the same impact on new viewers today, it's important to remember that back in 2014 there was no official Star Trek being released except the JJ movies which (being new) drew criticism from a vocal segment of the fanbase.

Right. Thank you for reminding me of the "The IP owners weren't doing anything with it!" lament. Frankly, I would have preferred the IP holders sit on it in perpetuity than have them dole out the schlock we're getting. I liked the old series enough to just keep rewatching them. I certainly didn't need Prelude and Axanar to feed my new trek addiction. (And if I did need fanfilms for that, there were plenty of others to watch in 2014. Completed ones.)

Prelude showed us TOS uniforms, classic ship designs, legacy actors and other trappings of "proper" Star Trek.

Yes, trappings, as I said earlier. Trappings of Star Trek laid over a humdrum, uncharacteristic narrative.

BTW, Ares is not a "classic" ship design. It's an Amalgam of TOS, TMP and TNG-movie design philosophies with an idiot dressed like Garth of Izar in the Captain's Chair.

And the production values were amazing.

It's not valuable if the visuals and script detract from the overall entertainment value, which they do.

But most importantly of course, Prelude was designed as an extended trailer for the full movie. By only hinting of what was to come, it allowed people to build up the movie in their minds to be as awesome as they wanted it to be - and Prelude was a part of that mental process, hence the nostalgia for it held by many still today.

Which brings me back to my original quandry, because the only thing this "trailer" did for me was give me twenty minutes of something I didn't want to see any more of, and again, the fact that other people were willing to pay for more of it has always stunned me.

As a film on its own, Prelude is a bunch of talking heads with high production values which point towards a film that never came out (and never will). Effectively, it's an empty promise and without that essential follow-up, I can understand why new viewers don't immediately leap on board declaring it to be "the best Trek ever!!!"

I'm not that new a viewer. There wasn't any new TV trek (yet) when I first saw it, and I still didn't immediately leap on board and declare it the best Trek ever, because that's patent nonsense.

And besides, now we have Trek back on TV again :biggrin:

So I have an idea where you lay your car freshener...

A format that Trek hadn't really tackled before, the faux documentary.

Just because it had never been tried before doesn't make it good. The Ford Edsel, Tucker Torpedo and DeLorean were all developed from car concepts that had never been tried before.

Star Trek, even at its best, simply isn't as engaging as a real conflict, where real lives are/were at stake. It is an inherent limit to entertainment.

True, but any creators who include battles in their films and television shows always strive to surpass that limitation, because the closer they get to succeeding, the more entertaining the production becomes. Prelude made a half-assed attempt at it, giving us deadpan script deliveries and underwhelming combat visuals.

^^^
FYI - Due to the Settlement Agreement he has with CBS/Paramount; he'd have no standing in court to be able to even bring such a lawsuit if others made use of any of his Axanar lore. (CBS itself could sue away - but yeah, Peters can't).

All peter's current lawsuits (and lawsuit threats) have been either:
- Defamation...

- Defendant cheated me out of funds from a transaction...

- I loaned Defendant money/Paid Defendant as a work for hire and was never re-paid/Defended never did the work I asked for but still took the payment...

He's NEVER sued for "Hey 'Axanar' is my copywritten IP separate from the actual 'Star Trek' IP..." because again, he has zero standing to make such a legal claim based on the CBS settlement; and could be found in 'Breach of Settlement' or sued again by CBS if they (CBS) were so inclined.
Thank you for that information.
 
Right. Thank you for reminding me of the "The IP owners weren't doing anything with it!" lament. Frankly, I would have preferred the IP holders sit on it in perpetuity than have them dole out the schlock we're getting. I liked the old series enough to just keep rewatching them.
Then what's the harm in them dolling out new series if the old series are doing enough?
 
Just because it had never been tried before doesn't make it good. The Ford Edsel, Tucker Torpedo and DeLorean were all developed from car concepts that had never been tried before.

Whether it entertains is a person by person experience, I was entertained by it.
 
Right. Thank you for reminding me of the "The IP owners weren't doing anything with it!" lament. Frankly, I would have preferred the IP holders sit on it in perpetuity than have them dole out the schlock we're getting. I liked the old series enough to just keep rewatching them. I certainly didn't need Prelude and Axanar to feed my new trek addiction. (And if I did need fanfilms for that, there were plenty of others to watch in 2014. Completed ones.)
If you don't like modern TV Trek that's fine, no-one is required to like everything with the Trek label on in order to be a fan. However, it's clearly found an audience in other sections of the fandom.
BTW The last time the IP holders sat on their product for too long without releasing anything we got the so-called "fan films arms race" which in turn led to Axanar.
Yes, trappings, as I said earlier. Trappings of Star Trek laid over a humdrum, uncharacteristic narrative.
So...we agree? :shrug:
BTW, Ares is not a "classic" ship design. It's an Amalgam of TOS, TMP and TNG-movie design philosophies with an idiot dressed like Garth of Izar in the Captain's Chair.
I wasn't just talking about the Ares but yes; those are all part of the "classic" era (compared to the JJ-designs)
It's not valuable if the visuals and script detract from the overall entertainment value, which they do.
The glitzy visuals also supported the claim of Axanar being a "professional" production, one of the big hooks of the project.
Which brings me back to my original quandry, because the only thing this "trailer" did for me was give me twenty minutes of something I didn't want to see any more of, and again, the fact that other people were willing to pay for more of it has always stunned me.
It is indeed surprising that so many fans felt compelled to contribute, which is why I was exploring some of the reasons why. However, that list is not exhaustive and I'm open to any other explanations! :techman:
I'm not that new a viewer. There wasn't any new TV trek (yet) when I first saw it, and I still didn't immediately leap on board and declare it the best Trek ever, because that's patent nonsense.
Good for you, I guess?
So I have an idea where you lay your car freshener...
Um, I think car freshener is supposed to be hung up, not laid down...
 
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While you're thinking about word meanings, look up the definitions of "prolific" and "good." They don't mean the same thing, and plenty of bad shows have had multiple seasons, and I'm sure a few have even had spin offs.
I don't think I gave an opinion on the quality of any of the shows I listed. I was just comparing the quantity of Star Trek CBS has produced in that time than Ares Studios has.
 
Whether it entertains is a person by person experience, I was entertained by it.
Fair enough.
I don't think I gave an opinion on the quality of any of the shows I listed. I was just comparing the quantity of Star Trek CBS has produced in that time than Ares Studios has.
Then my response changes to: "So?"
If you don't like modern TV Trek that's fine, no-one is required to like everything with the Trek label on in order to be a fan. However, it's clearly found an audience in other sections of the fandom.

Anything can find an audience. The comedian Gallagher has a following. 25%-Trek managing to get people to watch it doesn't impress me.
BTW The last time the IP holders sat on their product for too long without releasing anything we got the so-called "fan films arms race" which in turn led to Axanar.

The fan film arms race didn't lead to Axanar. The fan film arms race led to lots of elaborate fan films of varying quality, but its only connection to Axanar was as one of the many rationalizations Alec Peters and his acolytes used to justify his actions. That's like saying the real life Arms Race led to Bernie Madoff.

So...we agree? :shrug:

On there being classic trek trappings? Sure. Whether those trappings improved the trailer's quality or simply hid its flaws is where we might have a disagreement.

I wasn't just talking about the Ares but yes; those are all part of the "classic" era (compared to the JJ-designs)

Yes, parts of the Classic Era combined to create a hero ship that looks more advanced than the ships that were meant to follow it in the timeline, a complaint also leveled against the NX-01 Enterprise and (among us detractors anyway) Discovery. Ares is the perfect example trappings hiding a huge flaw.
The glitzy visuals also supported the claim of Axanar being a "professional" production, one of the big hooks of the project.

They didn't provide that much support, since it's obvious those visuals were of inferior quality to visuals that might be created by professionals with the backing of an actual studio.
It is indeed surprising that so many fans felt compelled to contribute, which is why I was exploring some of the reasons why. However, that list is not exhaustive and I'm open to any other explanations! :techman:
So am I, because none of the reasons discussed so far seem to fully explain the phenomenon.
Um, I think car freshener is supposed to be hung up, not laid down...
That was a reference to my earlier post. You can ignore it.
 
I wonder what will happen to whatever footage has been shot when this whole thing finally falls apart once and for all?
 
I am genuinely curious about that documentary. Will AP attempt to do a C&D on it before it releases, I wonder?
How can Peters do a cease and desist order when all three of the people involved directly worked on Axanar at some point, And are just going to be relating their first-hand personal experiences about working on the project?

Alec Peters could try another defamation lawsuit; but unless they signed a confidentiality agreement, again Alec Peters has no legal standing in court to issue a C&D on anything related to Axanar.
 
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