Spoilers Star Trek: Discovery 3x01 - "That Hope Is You, Part 1"

[TimeIsAPredator]

She mentioned to Spock in the previous episode that she would send the final signal. Did I imagine that she told the suit to send the signal, then self destruct?

No she said exactly that

 

[PiotrB]

Shouldn't cloning be totally easy in times where transporter technology exist? Just a thought.

Duplicating lifeforms with the transporter is established in canon. The fact that environmentalists dont use it to save endangered species has nothing to do with in universe logic (in some cases you could bring up prime directive but the federation does not exist at this point. And even if I would doubt that Book would give two shits judging by his actions so far soooo....)....its a writers decision because the technology is totally broken and would complicate writing if used to its total potential.

In genetics there is such a thing as telomeres, which are shorter with each cell division. So cloning alone does not solve anything. And judging by the fact that the aging process in the ST world is not significantly different than in our world, telomere elongation is not mastered there.

 

[eschaton]

In genetics there is such a thing as telomeres, which are shorter with each cell division. So cloning alone does not solve anything. And judging by the fact that the aging process in the ST world is not significantly different than in our world, telomere elongation is not mastered there.

Though hasn't it also been established that you can effectively de-age someone with transporter technology?

 

[MisterD]

In genetics there is such a thing as telomeres, which are shorter with each cell division. So cloning alone does not solve anything. And judging by the fact that the aging process in the ST world is not significantly different than in our world, telomere elongation is not mastered there.

Okay. But I don't understand where exactly cell division comes into play. As far as I know duplicating a lifeform by transporter creates a 100% accurate copy.

If you simply duplicate one specimen with the transporter you have one more for a normal breeding program. Of course there is a minimum of specimen you need to prevent inbreed. But if you have a population that is big enough cloning by transporter should make it possible to just multiply the population without a drop in "quality".

But whether am I an expert on genetics nor on Star Trek canon, so it could be that what I just wrote is complete nonsense.

 

[PiotrB]

Though hasn't it also been established that you can effectively de-age someone with transporter technology?

Well, I don't remember the episode at the moment, but the original transmission pattern probably played a role there.

Okay. But I don't understand where exactly cell division comes into play. As far as I know duplicating a lifeform by transporter creates a 100% accurate copy.

If you simply duplicate one specimen with the transporter you have one more for a normal breeding program. Of course there is a minimum of specimen you need to prevent inbreed. But if you have a population that is big enough cloning by transporter should make it possible to just multiply the population without a drop in "quality".

But whether am I an expert on genetics nor on Star Treck canon, so it could be that what I just wrote is complete nonsense.

In this case, the gene pool also plays a role. When it has low diversity, the population is more vulnerable to extinction. So cloning as you describe it can paradoxically speed up the process.

 

[Photoman15]

Not a bad episode. That said, the whole "all dilithium went boom" story doesn't make a lot of sense. If all dilithium exploded, why does it still exist after "the burn"?

Though not perfect, I liked the Omega particle idea better, as it would explain why all other species which don't rely on matter/antimatter warp drive lost the ability to FTL travel.

After hitting Book's ship, crash-landing on a planet and being eaten by an alien creature, why is Burham still alive?

Weren't the Andorians' antennas moving the last time we saw them on Enterprise?

So the Federation/Starfleet "collapsed", but at least two starships were detected by the relay station. What gives?

Liked the new tech introduced and the relay station design.

Here's hoping future eps give us some background info on the geopolitics of the 32nd century.

As I previously said, I don't think the Dilithium exploded. Something (subspace pulse, et al) caused the dilithium to destabalize and when that happened, any ships, power stations, etc.. that were using dilithium to regulate matter/anti-matter flow blew up BUT it was because of the matter/anti-matter unregulated mix. That's why dilithium can still exist after "The Burn". It was all the starships that blew up.

 

[TimeIsAPredator]

Well, I don't remember the episode at the moment, but the original transmission pattern probably played a role there.

In this case, the gene pool also plays a role. When it has low diversity, the population is more vulnerable to extinction. So cloning as you describe it can paradoxically speed up the process.

Once the gene pool gets low you just introduce some randy Irish drunks and their sexy daughters to the mix

 

[XCV330]

I think certain portions of the former Federation aren't going to want to become part of the Federation again. I think that's going to a source of conflict for Discovery and whatever factions join her.

we'll need one poetic planetary king asking where Gondor was when Yorktown fell

 

[Dar70]

Well that was a stinkeroo....the production quality was nice though.

 

[TimeIsAPredator]

As I previously said, I don't think the Dilithium exploded. Something (subspace pulse, et al) caused the dilithium to destabalize and when that happened, any ships, power stations, etc.. that were using dilithium to regulate matter/anti-matter flow blew up BUT it was because of the matter/anti-matter unregulated mix. That's why dilithium can still exist after "The Burn". It was all the starships that blew up.

I reckon massive pockets of subspace just collapsed maybe from the weight of traffic or destabilised by the temporal stuff

 

[TRON JA307020]

Yeah I didn’t like it. The holographic technology was the same as what we saw in the 23 and 24th centuries. Burnham seemed to have no culture shock at all being 900 years in the future. Why was a guy station at a federation outpost for 40 years? Did he even try to rebuild the federation by traveling outside his comfort zone looking for remnants or recruiting others to rebuild? Not all species use dilithium for their spacecraft. I find it hard to believe that the federation couldn’t find a replacement at that point in time. By the 24th century they were recrystalizing dilithium in the core chamber. That was a huge advance since kirks time. It’s hard for me to believe they had no advancements for dilithium on the later 700 years. Also how did the dilithium burn in all the ships and all the mining planets? Maybe the organians did something to it to get people to stop warring. Lol. Also the story is to much like andromeda. They just should have stopped this show and developed strange new worlds. It’s not fun to know that the federation expires. It was always more fun to speculate and keep it a mystery.

 

[XCV330]

Discohate 101:
Season 1: Ugh, those transparent displays! Those holograms! Where are the jolly rancher buttons?
Season 2: Ugh, that's a cheap cop-out getting rid of holograms! They should never have made another prequel show!
Season 3: Ugh, why are they still using holograms? I can't wait for that new prequel show! Programmable matter, that's not futuristic! I'm going to youtube for more talking points! I'll be back

 

[Roald]

It's a two part episode with different titles for both episodes. Ds9 used to do this with some of their two parters.

I know that, but they never added the PART 1 part... It wasn't called 'In Purgatory's Shadow, PART 1' for instance... Just like it would be odd to name the second part Far From Home, PART 2, it's still odd it's called That Hope Is You, Part 1...

 

[Roald]

It’s not fun to know that the federation expires.

Except it hasn't expired, it has been reduced severly, which to me opens doors to a very interesting story... The only thing 'not fun' seems to be the way you want to look at an episode, selectively tearing it apart and then rating this episode a 1. Really, a 1..? That is like Sub Rosa, Code of Honor-level.......... Do you really think this episode was THAT horrendous..? Seems to me you went out of your way to dislike as much as you could (which can be done to just about every episode, even In The Pale Moonlight). I don't care if people have objections about certain elements, or if they didn't like each and every milisecond of the episode. But to just drop this predetermined, Fandom Menace hater-mentality adds little value in my opinion.

 

[Tuskin38]

It’s not fun to know that the federation expires.

No civilization lasts forever, even in Star Trek.

 

[Lord Garth]

2161 to 3068 (roughly)?

That's not a bad run.

 

[XCV330]

Ideas last longer, and I think this season will involve that too

 

[jackoverfull]

That is like Sub Rosa, Code of Honor-level

I would even give those episodes a 2 actually…the low bar has been set by Shades of Grey, the only episode I recommend skipping no matter what.

 

[Nerys Myk]

Though hasn't it also been established that you can effectively de-age someone with transporter technology?

We do not speak of it with outsiders. Or insiders. Or besiders for that matter.

 

[fireproof78]

We do not speak of it with outsiders. Or insiders. Or besiders for that matter.

So, you're saying that it's hidden on all sides?