Spoilers Star Trek: Discovery 3x01 - "That Hope Is You, Part 1"

[eschaton]

Sisko was the core of DS9's story in a way that absolutely no other Trek captain was, but at the same time, he got less screen time proportionate to being the lead than any of the other captains.

I'm just pointing out that it's entirely possible to make someone the "main character" without having all episodes told primarily from their POV.

 

[Kamen Rider Blade]

Sisko was the core of DS9's story in a way that absolutely no other Trek captain was, but at the same time, he got less screen time proportionate to being the lead than any of the other captains.

I'm just pointing out that it's entirely possible to make someone the "main character" without having all episodes told primarily from their POV.

But in contrast, DS9 had a more fleshed out supporting cast IMO along with extended recurring cast.

That is also why it's my favorite Star Trek show by far.

It's far more "Balanced" and everybody got closer to "Even" screen time.

 

[Noname Given]

Did you miss the beginning of the episode, where Kirk was going to run down and destroy the Gorn ship for what happened on Cestus III? Dealing out frontier justice as he saw it. That would've more likely led to a Federation/Gorn war. It is only later that he comes to his senses.

Did you miss the ending of the episode? It's what Kirk ultimately did at the end of this whole situation, not how he felt at the beginning of it.

 

[BillJ]

Did you miss the ending of the episode? It's what Kirk ultimately did at the end of this whole situation, not how he felt at the beginning of it.

Yes, but even if he says to destroy the Gorn, it would’ve been the Metrons the Gorn would have a beef with. He didn’t do anything that “saved the Federation” in the episode.

 

[Nyotarules]

Maybe. But she says she almost quit TOS despite the groundbreaking nature of her role. Sometimes being better isn’t the same as being good, especially when before was bad.

I don’t think we should accept questionable portrayals without scrutiny because the past sucked more.

Hattie McDaniel preferred being paid more money to play a maid and getting an Oscar for her troubles then having the real life experience of being a maid. I guess she should have held out for the roles where she was the love interest opposite Clark Gable

 

[Odo]

Sisko was the core of DS9's story in a way that absolutely no other Trek captain was, but at the same time, he got less screen time proportionate to being the lead than any of the other captains.

I'm just pointing out that it's entirely possible to make someone the "main character" without having all episodes told primarily from their POV.

That's a good point. Discovery is very much the Michael Burnham Story - but that's not necessarily a bad thing imo, it's just different. The closest we've had to other shows focusing more on the journey of a single character - hmm, hard to say. Maybe Picard. I think having shorter seasons has something to do with this as well.

 

[Bad Thoughts]

Sisko was the core of DS9's story in a way that absolutely no other Trek captain was, but at the same time, he got less screen time proportionate to being the lead than any of the other captains.

I'm just pointing out that it's entirely possible to make someone the "main character" without having all episodes told primarily from their POV.

It's far more "Balanced" and everybody got closer to "Even" screen time.

That's a good point. Discovery is very much the Michael Burnham Story - but that's not necessarily a bad thing imo, it's just different. The closest we've had to other shows focusing more on the journey of a single character - hmm, hard to say. Maybe Picard. I think having shorter seasons has something to do with this as well.

Yes, it is the Michael Burnham story, but does that mean she is really the sole focus of the series? So far we have seen significant attention paid to the development of several characters, particularly Stamets, Tilly, and Culber. One season characters Pike and Spock received signifcant attention, including what was not directly relevant to Burnham. The finale of the last season even emphasized that in spite of her willingness, saving life from Control was not a sacrifice she could make alone.

 

[Nerys Myk]

James T. R. Kirk saves the Federation from Gary Mitchell - a God like being who will remake the universe and his image.

Fixed that for you.

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

A few things about this episode:

- those hand weapons are surprisingly bulky. This is over 900 years in the future, after all. Apart from the initial Dustbuster phasers of TNG, hand weapons back then didn't appear to be any larger than a deck of cards. So they go from phasers that small...to this?

- I no longer think that Sahil is a hologram. At first I thought he was flickering in and out, but then I realized so was everything else (probably an aftereffect from whatever was going on outside). And besides, we see Sahil getting up out of bed every morning, and of course he mentions his father and grandfather, so it wouldn't make any sense for him to be a hologram anyway.

- What eventually happened to the time suit? At first I thought Burnham programmed it to go into space and blow itself up (I distinctly heard her mention 'self destruct') but then it went through the wormhole! Was it supposed to return to its own time, THEN explode? Why would it do that? Wouldn't there be a risk of Control getting ahold of it?

- I LOVE the programmable matter.

 

[XCV330]

A few things about this episode:

- those hand weapons are surprisingly bulky. This is over 900 years in the future, after all. Apart from the initial Dustbuster phasers of TNG, hand weapons back then didn't appear to be any larger than a deck of cards. So they go from phasers that small...to this?

- I no longer think that Sahil is a hologram. At first I thought he was flickering in and out, but then I realized so was everything else (probably an aftereffect from whatever was going on outside). And besides, we see Sahil getting up out of bed every morning, and of course he mentions his father and grandfather, so it wouldn't make any sense for him to be a hologram anyway.

- What eventually happened to the time suit? At first I thought Burnham programmed it to go into space and blow itself up (I distinctly heard her mention 'self destruct') but then it went through the wormhole! Was it supposed to return to its own time, THEN explode? Why would it do that? Wouldn't there be a risk of Control getting ahold of it?

- I LOVE the programmable matter.

all episode long I did kind of question the idea that she landed in a holographic universe.

 

[Nerys Myk]

hose hand weapons are surprisingly bulky. This is over 900 years in the future, after all. Apart from the initial Dustbuster phasers of TNG, hand weapons back then didn't appear to be any larger than a deck of cards. So they go from phasers that small...to this?

New tech. New specs.

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

New tech. New specs.

I might agree - if there was anything those fistguns can do that a TNG-era phaser can't. But we never saw anything like that, did we?

On a completely unrelatd matter, wasn't there supposed to be some kind of flashback to the Burn, showing a bunch of starships exploding? I didn't see such a scene anywhere in the episode.

 

[Nerys Myk]

I might agree - if there was anything those fistguns can do that a TNG-era phaser can't. But we never saw anything like that, did we?

On a completely unrelatd matter, wasn't there supposed to be some kind of flashback to the Burn, showing a bunch of starships exploding? I didn't see a scene like that.

They make people go all blobby splatter.

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

They make people go all blobby splatter.

So did Seven's phaser rifles from PIC.

 

[XCV330]

I might agree - if there was anything those fistguns can do that a TNG-era phaser can't. But we never saw anything like that, did we?

On a completely unrelatd matter, wasn't there supposed to be some kind of flashback to the Burn, showing a bunch of starships exploding? I didn't see such a scene anywhere in the episode.

phasers: shoot (unless its TWOK) an instantaneous bright beam that can be easily aimed.

cuff-blaster-thingy from 31st century: shoots a slow lethargic glowing blob slower than the bb gun you had as a kid. impossible to aim at anything but close quarters.

 

[Nerys Myk]

So did Seven's phaser rifles from PIC.

Looked different. So It might not be the same tech.

 

[137th Gebirg]

So did Seven's phaser rifles from PIC.

Tetryon particles will do that to ya. ( for STO fans).

 

[UssGlenn]

There's no hint that he can't survive without things like oxygen in the vacuum of space. Besides, how powerful was he really when a boulder did him in?

Again, his power was increasing rapidly and he had already demonstrated the ability to create objects. Another week and he could have made himself a fully functional spaceship.

 

[Nerys Myk]

Gary was weakened by Dehner just before Kirk drops the boulder on him.

 

[Lord Garth]

I think certain portions of the former Federation aren't going to want to become part of the Federation again. I think that's going to be a source of conflict for Discovery and whatever factions join her.