Spoilers Star Trek: Discovery 3x01 - "That Hope Is You, Part 1"

[Tim Thomason]

It's fiction.

No, I get it. It's an interesting idea. It's why Conan Doyle had trouble killing off Holmes. People want these characters, these universes to live on. Laser Beam just is struggling with the concept that this is the "end of Starfleet/Federation".

Maybe it is, maybe it's just a rough patch. Perhaps the season will end with it's reformation or the formation of a bigger and better group.

 

[Awesome Possum]

No, I get it. It's an interesting idea. It's why Conan Doyle had trouble killing off Holmes. People want these characters, these universes to live on. Laser Beam just is struggling with the concept that this is the "end of Starfleet/Federation".

Maybe it is, maybe it's just a rough patch. Perhaps the season will end with it's reformation or the formation of a bigger and better group.

I'm pretty sure that's the point based on the trailers. The Federation has been torn apart due to the Burn and the Discovery crew being from the era of Those Old Scientists comes in and helps re-unite it. It's not depressing, it's hopeful.

 

[fireproof78]

For me, at least, with fiction, I just ignore stuff I don't like. Call it "head canon" or whatever, but things that I don't like are just put in to a whole other section.

But, also there is the whole point of stories being "not that dragons exist but that they can defeat it." The Star Wars Revenge of the Sith had Anakin struggling with the idea that everything dies, yet people are able to accept that Anakin's fall, as depressing as it is, isn't forever. I guess it's like that-it isn't forever.

 

[Lord Garth]

I didn't get a sense of gloom in "That Hope Is You". I got the sense of a bad situation that they're going to fix and people keeping hope alive.

Just like 2020. Just replace "The Burn" with "Covid-19". No, that obviously wasn't what they had in mind when they shot Season 3, but given the way times have changed in the months since it wrapped, it effectively plays like that now. Intentional or not. So it speaks to me more than it would've otherwise.

 

[fireproof78]

Just like 2020. Just replace "The Burn" with "Covid-19"

Yup. It works weirdly well.

 

[Awesome Possum]

I didn't get a sense of gloom in "That Hope Is You". I got the sense of a bad situation that they're going to fix and people keeping hope alive.

Just like 2020. Just replace "The Burn" with "Covid-19". No, that obviously wasn't what they had in mind when they shot Season 3, but given the way times have changed in the months since it wrapped, it effectively plays like that now. Intentional or not. So it speaks to me more than it would've otherwise.

Exactly, no matter how dark it seems if enough people work together you can turn it around.

Just look at the character of Book. He was born in a time after the Burn and the Federation is a ghost of what it once was, but he's risking his life to do what they would've done because it's the right thing to do. The episode itself states that the Federation was people, not ships and there are still people who believe in what the Federation stood for. It's just a matter of getting them back in contact.

 

[jackoverfull]

Pretty good episode, possibly the best of discovery, especially after it started moving in the second half.

I really like the dilitium “burning”, clever idea that produces new scarcity. I hope they follow on it well.

The drugged part was very fun and the ending of course pretty emotional. There is material for an interesting series, but I really hope they manage to restore the Commonwealth by the end of the season (or the series).

Action scenes still to hectic for my tastes, but I don’t hold Grudge, dialogue a bit messy imho.

Nice design for the mix of races (A Lurian?! Really?!), the outposts looked pretty generic for me. Loved the transporter chase for personal reasons but I didn’t understand how they were tracked after the final beaming...Didn’t burn just say they couldn’t trace them underwater (why?)?

One long standing peeve carrying over from season 2: please stop making Michael cry every. Single. Episode. The actor is good and can do it, we get it, we don’t need to see it every week.

 

[Airmandan]

The fact that there are so few stars on the flag indicates that the Federation had already disintegrated a great deal before the Burn even occurred. What I hope we see, and would prove to be an interesting idea, is that Vulcan and the Romulans reunified, and are now the new villain's of the show. That would make the "reforming" of the Federation much more difficult but would also break up the trop of Vulcans and Humans always getting along. Plus it would give Burnham a reason to be angsty, since she was raised on Vulcan. That would also be an explanation for the Burn, since Romulan ships used singularity drives. And gives you an excuse to have a burned out husk of Earth, they bombed it when they shut dilithium warp drive down.

 

[jackoverfull]

The fact that there are so few stars on the flag indicates that the Federation had already disintegrated a great deal before the Burn even occurred.

or that the flag was from after the burn, when the federation was already collapsing.

 

[thribs]

Daniels hinted that the Federation evolved into something else by his time and so this can’t be the same future.

 

[Agony_Boothb]

That's exactly what the Federation was!

Me, I want the Federation to be restored. Fully. I was never a fan of its destruction - it makes it rather difficult to watch existing Trek, knowing what will eventually happen .

At least if the Federation is reborn, it wasn't all for nothing.

The federation, starfleet, they're still out there in the 32nd century. Federation ideals are so powerful that 120 years after its fall, one man will stick to his duties alone for 40 years with unyielding belief. It shows that no matter how bad things get some elements, seeds if you will, of the Federation will survive.

 

[Yistaan]

Daniels hinted that the Federation evolved into something else by his time and so this can’t be the same future.

Considering it was a temporal war where stuff was done and undone via time travel, it could indeed be the same future.

 

[Agony_Boothb]

The fact that there are so few stars on the flag indicates that the Federation had already disintegrated a great deal before the Burn even occurred. What I hope we see, and would prove to be an interesting idea, is that Vulcan and the Romulans reunified, and are now the new villain's of the show. That would make the "reforming" of the Federation much more difficult but would also break up the trop of Vulcans and Humans always getting along. Plus it would give Burnham a reason to be angsty, since she was raised on Vulcan. That would also be an explanation for the Burn, since Romulan ships used singularity drives. And gives you an excuse to have a burned out husk of Earth, they bombed it when they shut dilithium warp drive down.

Or the Federation just went for a minimalist design because focus groups prefered it over the more flashy logo.

 

[Awesome Possum]

Book mentioned a Temporal War, this is just what happens after it.

 

[Campe]

Considering it was a temporal war where stuff was done and undone via time travel, it could indeed be the same future.

As to this series, it’s the only future that matters.

 

[El Maestro]

I enjoyed the episode and am very excited for this season! I think that the concept is unique and has the potential to be something we really haven't seen before in Star Trek. We'll know more after it's done but I feel there is a lot of potential and a very high ceiling on the fallen Federation concept. I agree with the posters here saying that it was very hopeful.

One thing I noticed: after watching the trailer for the season I found myself VERY excited to see the rest of the crew again and that made me appreciate the work they did last season in fleshing some of them out.

 

[fireproof78]

Or the Federation just went for a minimalist design because focus groups prefered it over the more flashy logo.

That was my interpretation, yes.

 

[Enterprise is Great]

after 800 years there could’ve been so many members that all the stars on the flag looked too crowded so they cut the number down.

 

[SJGardner]

Because...???

Not to sound too insensitive but this is a point of view I genuinely struggle with. So, 1000 years from Trek the Federation collapses and that makes all those stories meaningless? I mean, I know Trek is fantasy and people need the fantasy escapism type thing but is it really a place of "I can't enjoy other Trek because 1000 years later it will all collapse in on itself?"

I know I'm using this example all the time, but this is basically the same thing as saying that I can't enjoy this story about a Roman general saving the Republic from the Carthaginians, because Rome is going to be sacked by Odoacer in 476 CE anyway.

I mean, the Roman Empire fell. Does it mean everything they did was for naught? Hell no, they've given us multiple engineering technologies, roads that are still following the old paths they've built, most of Europe uses the Napoleonic Code that was mostly adapted from Roman Law, not to mention the United States using the Roman Republic as a direct inspiration... this might sound sacrilegious to many Star Trek fans, but the Federation is just a polity. If it falls, it doesn't mean everything they've ever done will be wiped out and completely forgotten. Civilizations and golden ages come and go, each building upon what came before, even if it's not in the same shape or form as we have grown accustomed to. If the new golden age is in the form of the Interstellar Compact founded by the Cardassians, the Kelpiens and the Mintakans, with a Declaration of Principles inspired by the Federation Charter, and with Old Earth as a generally well-off but insignificant fringe member, so be it.

Granted, I'm not expecting Discovery to go that wild. They'll rebuild the Federation and it will be probably largely the same as we remember.

 

[1987SpaceGuy]

loved the various (new and old) aliens.

truth-gassed rambling Burnham was funny, but should have been longer and explaining everything in a "Marvel Luis" style summary for newbies.

Greenland locations were AWESOME!!!

Book isn't as superficial as feared, like his backstory so far. Grumpy Grudge

Forgot about the future out of bed dude until the end. His speech got me quite emotional.

Good opener, season preview looks interesting.

Had low expectations, got positively surprised. Hope they can put the S1/2 shambles behind them for good and really make good use of the "carte blanche"