It just becomes part of a conversation.
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I understand that, but what I'm saying is, if something isn't canon to an individual, I think there are better ways to discuss with him or her why that is rather than basically saying "You can't think that, because the people at CBS/Paramount determine what is and isn't canon." Rather, I think it's better to say, "You're allowed to have that opinion, as long as you don't think that everyone else's opinion is invalid while you only think yours is right".
The best example I can think of is Star Wars. There are a bunch of SW fans who refuse to believe that the sequel trilogy isn't canon because they hate it so much. While I don't agree with them at all (I love all of SW personally), I can certainly understand where they're coming from and if they want to think that, they can.
They can like what they want, but calling what they like "canon" and what they don't like "non-canon" is a misuse of the word. That's pretty much the only point being made. It's not a judgement on them or their preferences.
Then the term is rather meaningless and discussion is limited.
Oh, FFS! For the umpteenth time, canon is what CBS says it is. Period. Not ANYONE else.
Yes, we can all have our opinions, but CBS doesn’t CARE about our opinions about what canon is. They just don’t. It’s not personal, it’s business. Seriously, why the fuck is this so hard for some people to understand around here?
I’ll say it again...
THEY. DON’T. CARE!
Yes, we can all have our opinions, but CBS doesn’t CARE about our opinions about what canon is. They just don’t. It’s not personal, it’s business. Seriously, why the fuck is this so hard for some people to understand around here?
I’ll say it again...
THEY. DON’T. CARE!
You are trying you best, in any case, I’ll give you that. 
Shouldn’t be this difficult, honestly.
Shouldn’t be this difficult, honestly.
I think because there isn't a generally accepted term for such a subjective term.You are trying you best, in any case, I’ll give you that.
Shouldn’t be this difficult, honestly.
What, the meaning of the word "canon"? No, it is completely objective. That's the whole point. It is, by definition, specifically determined by the IP holder and nobody else, which CBS/Paramount has unequivocally done. That is the core frame-of-reference that everyone should adhere to, whether they like it or not. It is the resistance generated by other people's egos that refuse to accept it, for some inexplicable reason. I have my own "head canon", too, sure, but I'm not so self-absorbed as to think CBS would give two rat turds in a rain-barrel what I think about it. Vainly struggling for some mythical clarification of terms that have already been clarified by only those with the authority to do so is a waste of time and effort.
Has Alec Peters cloned himself and started setting up duals to debate the definition of "canon" around here or something? Sheesh!!
Has Alec Peters cloned himself and started setting up duals to debate the definition of "canon" around here or something? Sheesh!!
Words mean what people say they mean. Language changes. Semantic arguments account for 95% of all arguments (and made-up percentages account for the other 5%).
While I do think Boimler will eventually return to the Cerritos, I dunno...I also think he'll find a way (unintentionally) to get himself busted back to ensign in the process. The Titan may be his ideal assignment, but he may have been around Mariner and the rest of the Cerritos crew too long.
That's not what I'm quite saying. Yes, canon is completely objective. The term "head canon" is often treated as a contradiction in terms, since there is no official status to what we interpret as fans.
Now, I do agree that there is a mythical struggle and, more than that, an extreme amount of push back against any sort of authoritarian opinion that contradicts deeply held personal opinion. It's really interesting to see such a violent pushback against that stance.
Hardly my purpose. If I am engaging in a discussion than a clarification of terms is necessary to have a good faith interaction. Otherwise we end up, well, where we are now-arguing, and yelling.
I'm just saying that there isn't a universally accepted term for a fan's subjective interpretation. Calling something "not canon" is the result of not having that term, because canon, by definition, is the official body of work and only CBS can do that now with Trek.
I only dislike the attitude of several people here who counter any and all information from official tie-in stuff written by people who also make the shows, including tech manuals, and interviews with the makers, with "not canon." - Like it's completely meaningless and has to be false by default. At least explain why you think it doesn't fit or doesn't make sense 
The continuity problem is that the GEN/VOY badge was worn before and after LDS. But there's a possibility that we only ever saw primary ships and stations who get the 'full' badge, and unimportant ships like the Cerritos, which we haven't seen before, only get the silver part cause they haven't earned the gold part XD (the only problem then is: I think the admirals wore the same badge)
...Are you quite sure you're a fan?
IDIC.Are you quite sure you're a fan?
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"Head Canon" is really short for "personally-accepted continuity". The rub comes in, because real canon is 100 percent unrelated to continuity. There are lots of contradictory items in what CBS has determined to be the official body of work, (which is what canon actually means in this instance.)
TL;DR: Canon =/= Continuity.
TL;DR: Canon =/= Continuity.
Same here XDI hope my hometown gets a California-class. (And doesn't get destroyed
At no point did I say that the people who have their own opinions on what is canon care that CBS doesn't care about our opinions on what canon is. I wasn't even talking about that. If I thought something was non-canon in Star Trek, I would know full well that CBS doesn't care if I think that, and I'm fine with that, so you missed my point entirely. No need to be patronizing, so don't fucking yell at me. I DON'T appreciate it. I'm not an idiot.
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