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DC Movies - To Infinity and Beyond

I absolutely agree! A single film is never going to be able to top what the tv series did over many episodes. Nor have the special history which John Wesley Shipp brought to playing Henry Allen. Or the great dynamic him and Grant Gustin have in all their scenes together.

If they feel the need to bring back Henry Allen I am glad they are not recasting the part. But I really, really hope they come up with a unique angle to justify trending over this same material again.

I think it’s revealing that most fans seem more excited for Flashpoint for the rumored and confirmed guest stars from previous DC film productions. Also to speculate it’s potentiality to reboot or reshape things than the merits of Flashpoint as an actual storyline.

Barry Allen existed for decades with having both his parents alive into his adulthood while he was the Flash.
 
Christopher said:
I was actually hoping they'd drop the whole Henry Allen angle, since the TV series already dealt with it pretty thoroughly.
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If they are doing Flashpoint and dealing with his mother's murder, then they kind of need to involve his father somehow.
 
JD said:
If they are doing Flashpoint and dealing with his mother's murder, then they kind of need to involve his father somehow.
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This is my point. We've seen Flashpoint adapted for the screen twice already, in animation and on TV. I'm not that interested in seeing another version. My problem is not with Henry Allen, my problem is with the story he was being used for.

Granted, I'm the one who's always saying that each adaptation is aimed at a different audience, and most of them won't have seen the story already. But I'm speaking from a more selfish position here. I've seen the story already and I haven't been impressed by it in any incarnation. It's basically an inferior copy of "The City on the Edge of Forever" anyway. And it's a needlessly dark place to take an upbeat hero like the Flash. Not to mention how fridgey it is. Bad enough for the author to kill a woman in the hero's life to motivate the hero. This is a story where the hero himself realizes his mother "needs" to die and he personally has to bring it about. That's rather grotesque.
 
Dick Whitman said:
Surprised no one has shared this yet. Real news. https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/heat-vision/billy-crudup-in-talks-to-join-the-flash-exclusive

Billy Crudup to reprise role as Henry Allen in The Flash solo movie. Obviously that was original plan following Justice League. But this thing went through various writers and likely schedule conflicts. So it was far from a sure thing. Now he is negotiating again.
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Good news. The film seems to be shaping up to be very interesting.
 
JD said:
So I think it's pretty safe to say no matter how you look at it, Shazam was not a misfire..
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IMDB ratings are not the individual tastes of the public who may have watched that film. As noted to another member, you can like that film as much as you desire, but it was a misfire, and its tone was that of an entirely different film series.
 
But that's why I didn't include just IMDB, I also included the Metacritic user reviews, and the Amazon ratings, to show that it wasn't just there. That's on top of the box office, and the critics reviews on Metacritic, which is pretty all of the best ways to judge a movie's reception. Those are all positive, so no matter how you look at it, Shazam was not a misfire. You might personally not like it, but that doesn't make it a failure, by pretty much every objective standard it was a success. It might not have been Avengers: Endgame, but it was still not a misfire.

Christopher said:
This is my point. We've seen Flashpoint adapted for the screen twice already, in animation and on TV. I'm not that interested in seeing another version. My problem is not with Henry Allen, my problem is with the story he was being used for.

Granted, I'm the one who's always saying that each adaptation is aimed at a different audience, and most of them won't have seen the story already. But I'm speaking from a more selfish position here. I've seen the story already and I haven't been impressed by it in any incarnation. It's basically an inferior copy of "The City on the Edge of Forever" anyway. And it's a needlessly dark place to take an upbeat hero like the Flash. Not to mention how fridgey it is. Bad enough for the author to kill a woman in the hero's life to motivate the hero. This is a story where the hero himself realizes his mother "needs" to die and he personally has to bring it about. That's rather grotesque.
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Oh, I thought you just didn't like the character for some reason.
In that case, I actually agree with you. Flashpoint seems like kind of a weird place to start, it's the kind of story that's more impactful if you've built up the characters and story more before you get to it. Look at the Arrowverse series, they spent 2 seaons building things up before they finally did it. And like you said, we've already gotten it in two different adaptations in about a decade. They seem to treat like it's the only Flash story worth adapting, but Barry Allen has been around since 1956, so you think they would have done at least a few other stories that would be worth using as inspiration for a movie.
 
JD said:
Flashpoint seems like kind of a weird place to start, it's the kind of story that's more impactful if you've built up the characters and story more before you get to it.
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But it's Geoff Johns's pet Flash story, and Johns is the guy in charge of DC's screen productions.

I wouldn't mind, though, if they did what Marvel has done with some of their movies -- take the name and the broad strokes of the idea but build a completely different story out of it. Do the time travel, do the reality shifts to set up a cinematic multiverse or whatever, but find something more fun and upbeat than a mother's murder and a dystopian hellscape to base it around, something more appropriate to Ezra Miller's goofy, boyish version of Barry.
 
They veered pretty far from the comics for the show's version, so hopefully they'll do the same for the movie.
 
JD said:
They veered pretty far from the comics for the show's version, so hopefully they'll do the same for the movie.
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Not in the same way, I hope. The thing is, the comic was only partly about Barry's family tragedy and largely about the alternate dystopian DC Universe -- Thomas Wayne as Batman, the Amazons and Atlanteans waging global war, etc. The Arrowverse version had to strip all that away and was left with a pretty routine "Oops I broke the past trying to improve it, hold on while I put it back" plot that barely filled an hour, though it did set up consequences further down the road. For this version, it might be better to go the other direction -- less dead-mother tragedy, more alternate-reality nuttiness.
 
Michael Keaton's return does seem to hint that we'll get a bigger emphasis on the alternate universe stuff, and unlike the show the movie will have to budge to get really crazy with if they want to. They've also already established the Amazons and Atlantis, so they could go in that direction if they want to.
If I was in charge of WB's DC movies, I would have gone with a Rogues story instead of Flashpoint. The show has never really given us much with the comics Rogues as a team, so putting a big emphasis on them in the movies would be a nice way to push it away from the show.
 
JD said:
If I was in charge of WB's DC movies, I would have gone with a Rogues story instead of Flashpoint. The show has never really given us much with the comics Rogues as a team, so putting a big emphasis on them in the movies would be a nice way to push it away from the show.
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I agree. It disappoints me that the Arrowverse Flash was never able to put together a real Rogues team, what with the different members coming and going at different times.

On the other hand, after two Suicide Squad films and Birds of Prey, people might think the DCEU was just repeating itself with another villain team-up.
 
If not that then maybe they could go for Grodd? We've gotten a quite a bit with Grodd on the show, but they could do a whole lot more with a movie budget. One of the New 52 arcs had a bunch of stuff with Grodd taking over Gorilla City and then eventually leading an invasion of Central City, and that is the kind of thing could be awesome on the big screen.
 
Ghost Ryder said:
New round of release date shuffling.

- The Batman, moved from October 1, 2021, to March 4, 2022
- The Flash, moved from June 3, 2022, to November 4, 2022
- SHAZAM! - Fury of the Gods, moved from November 4, 2022, to June 2, 2023
- Black Adam, moved from December 22, 2021, no new release date given
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Thanks so much for this.... not that it would make sense just yet... but has anyone done an updated infographic on movie release dates? The last one for the DC FIlm Universe had Cyborg and Green Lantern Corps for this year.

The Batman...unless it is due to filming/post-production, seems like it shoudl stay in October... seems perfect for Halloween

Flash -- they are NOT anticipating it to be a summer blockbuster?

Shazam -- on the other hand, sure could be.

Now, with Black Adam... is this gonna be a prequel to Fury of the Gods (which the Shazam title kinda implies Black Adam being involved). It feels like The Rock will be eligible to receive Social Security before he could do a Black Adam 2. WHich is sad...because i feel he has the potential to be the DC Film Universe's Loki

Oh..and re: Flashpoint ... yeah, it's been done... but since DC TV has done BOTH Flashpoint and Crisis, which shakes up things... i think FLahpoint might be better for the DC FU to straighten things out.

Some of us are multicultural and like BOTH MArvel and DC. But for me, i want DC to have a "comic book universe" feel. Everything does have to be interconnected the way the MCU movies were...but just enough that if someone wanted to watch all of it, it would feel complete. But if someone just liked Shazam, or Superman, they can focus on that too and still have a good movie.

I feel like DC is oversaturating the market with stuff. It isn't like sports, where different cities can follow a specific team and make them sustainable, while a few really dedicated fans can watch ALL the games.

The Superhero genre fandom isn't that big to support it all at once. Like with DC TV... at one time they had like 6 shows going at once. I mean, 2 or 3 per "season" (i.e. fall, winter, summer) would make sense, and much of the audience would follow ALL of them. But at the same time? Naaah.

Same thing with the movies, to a lesser degree. There are some people who will watch all of it, no matter what. But i think quite a few need a "coming attractions" scene to get them more motivated to see the next movie.

For example, the SUperman cameo in SHazam worked just fine. It didn't push a long term story line. It just put them in the same universe.

It's just a mess.... i still think Geoff JOhns was deprived of authority to shape the DC FU, so we got what we got.
 
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I just got a look at what Batman Death in the Family is.

Interactive.

Pick a path.

Does Jason Todd live or die?

You decide.

This seems awfully fricking familiar.
 
The Shazam kids will be old enough to drink before the sequel comes out at this rate :lol: I really hope they've worked a significant time skip into the script, because my joke aside most if not all of the kids are either going to have to be recast or they'll just have to acknowledge the time passage, especially for the youngest kids.
 
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