Terminator: What happened?

[Captaindemotion]

For me, the only misstep was the casting of Kyle Reese. In the original movie, he's a scrawny soldier covered in scars, bathed in PTSD. In this movie, he comes off like a dumb jock. Modern film casting focuses on herocis over realism, so I'll chalk it up to that.

Another thing in Salvation’s favour is that the late Anton Yelchin was absolutely perfectly believable as a younger version of Michael Biehn’s Reese; got his speech patterns down perfectly.

 

[Timby]

I don't know what it is. He just rubs me up the wrong way in everything I've seen him in.

Jai Courtney is just yet another guy off the assembly line of "dull, boring white guys who we think we can make into the Next Big Thing." Sam Worthington, Josh Hartnett, Aaron Taylor-Johnson, Josh Duhamel, Taylor Kitsch, Liam Hemsworth, the list goes on...

Another thing in Salvation’s favour is that the late Anton Yelchin was absolutely perfectly believable as a younger version of Michael Biehn’s Reese; got his speech patterns down perfectly.

Yelchin was arguably the only thing in Salvation's favor. I remember seeing it in the theater back when I was still married, and on the entire 20-minute drive home, all I could keep saying was, "I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry."

 

[USS Firefly]

I remember seeing it in the theater back when I was still married, and on the entire 20-minute drive home, all I could keep saying was, "I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry."

And that was your last night as a married man? Just kidding, please don't ban me

 

[Timby]

And that was your last night as a married man? Just kidding, please don't ban me

Took nine more years for me to move out.

 

[Captaindemotion]

Took nine more years for me to move out.

You didn’t stop judgement day. You only postponed it.

 

[RandyS]

I don't know what it is. He just rubs me up the wrong way in everything I've seen him in.

Not something I'd want to admit in public.

 

[Smellmet]

Not something I'd want to admit in public.

What can I say. He's just not my type.

 

[Noname Given]

Judgment Day moves because Judgment Day is varied.

In Genisys, JD originally wasn't supposed to happen. It was a timeline in which it was averted. Skynet/John set out to recreate it from scratch.

In Dark Fate, Skynet was prevented. It never existed, never would. Their version of Judgment Day was caused by a completely different system with completely different creators. It's a bit odd that both developed the same type of time displacement technology (right down to you having to be completely naked to travel), and came up with a similar plan.

There's a logic disconnect in 'Terminator: Dark Fate" in that Schwarzenegger's Terminator that killed John Connor states: "When you destroyed skynet, you freed me..." <--- And supposedly that's when it started to become/understand humans.
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Yet once history was changed to that degree - there shouldn't have been a Terminator searching for John Connor in a date/time that was after the judgment Day date; yet there he was.

Also if the timeline destruction of Skynet supposedly freed him; why did he still have the compulsion/directive to kill John Connor after that?

And let's not get into the fact that somehow, Sarah Connor, who has a criminal police record, And is a former mental patient; somehow knows a high-ranking military intelligence officer, who has access to top secret weaponry; and also has zero issues giving her such weaponry as soon as she shows upWTF

 

[Guy Gardener]

I wonder if sequel(s) to Dark Fate might reveal some kind of a connection between Skynet and Legion. Even if the Skynet future never happened, I could still see some of the technology that came from it's future continuing to exist and ending up playing some kind of role in Legion's creation.

Isn't "meh" pretty much the standard reaction to every role Jai Courtney plays, except maybe Captain Boomerang?

All the junk Skynet sent into the past is still there, or was there until it was melted down.

In the old days, Legion went by the name Carl.

 

[Noname Given]

In the old days, Legion went by the name Carl.

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"Coming soon to AMC and AMC+; 'The Walking Dead,: Terminator Chronicles. Skynet creates and releases a virus that turns the human race into Zombies that it controls!"

(Cue shot of Andrew Lincoln in a military General's uniform walking through the landscape screaming: "Carl!... Carl how could you?")

 

[Grendelsbayne]

Judgment Day moves because Judgment Day is varied.

In Genisys, JD originally wasn't supposed to happen. It was a timeline in which it was averted. Skynet/John set out to recreate it from scratch.

In Dark Fate, Skynet was prevented. It never existed, never would. Their version of Judgment Day was caused by a completely different system with completely different creators. It's a bit odd that both developed the same type of time displacement technology (right down to you having to be completely naked to travel), and came up with a similar plan.

Not really. If time travel is possible, it presumably follows specific basic rules/processes. Those rules wouldn't be any different regardless of who discovered them. And the plan is as basic as they come. Kill Hitler before he's a threat. It's the classic time travel concept humanity's been playing with for decades.

What Dark Fate did was similar to the new Star Wars movies renaming the Galactic Empire the First Order and the Rebel Alliance the Resistance, and then having everyone repeat the same steps that came before.

Yes, except it actually kind of makes sense for a time travel franchise.

There's a logic disconnect in 'Terminator: Dark Fate" in that Schwarzenegger's Terminator that killed John Connor states: "When you destroyed skynet, you freed me..." <--- And supposedly that's when it started to become/understand humans.
^^^
Yet once history was changed to that degree - there shouldn't have been a Terminator searching for John Connor in a date/time that was after the judgment Day date; yet there he was.

Also if the timeline destruction of Skynet supposedly freed him; why did he still have the compulsion/directive to kill John Connor after that?

And let's not get into the fact that somehow, Sarah Connor, who has a criminal police record, And is a former mental patient; somehow knows a high-ranking military intelligence officer, who has access to top secret weaponry; and also has zero issues giving her such weaponry as soon as she shows upWTF

Nah. It has to be a basic conceit of the time travel concept that a time traveler, once sent back, can't be affected by what happens in the future. Otherwise none of the movies make any sense, including T2 (the good terminator didn't just disappear).

When he says destroying Skynet freed him that has to mean either 1) he's just vaguely philosophizing and not speaking literally or 2) skynet had the means to transmit information into the past and give new orders (beyond his original mission of killing John) but because skynet was prevented, the expected new orders never came leaving him to his own devices. It has nothing to do with him being directly and immediately changed somehow by skynet's destruction.

And I assume Sarah's military friend had a run-in with a terminator he wouldn't have survived without her help... seems a fairly obvious concept for the franchise.