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Spoilers Star Trek: Lower Decks 1x09 - "Crisis Point"

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Yeah, and apparently that can kill you? I thought that kind of barbarism would be outlawed in perfect future world!?

I know right? And there was also that shooting game Picard played with Jono in "Suddenly Human" Which was basically a digital version of clay pigeon shooting.
Really....shooting things for fun?? In the highly cultured 24th century? I'm shocked!

Edit: Discard that, I misremembered, I think they played squash or something and it just sounded like shooting?
 
I know right? And there was also that shooting game Picard played with Jono in "Suddenly Human" Which was basically a digital version of clay pigeon shooting.
Really....shooting things for fun?? In the highly cultured 24th century? I'm shocked!

Edit: Discard that, I misremembered, I think they played squash or something and it just sounded like shooting?
I think it was more racquetball or squash but since it's "the future" it has very odd noises to go with it.
 
I didn’t like this one as much as the previous two but it was still pretty good.

loved all the movie homages and Boimlers freak out during the meeting at the end.
 
I disagree, this post puts it in better words than I can.
Why? We've heard/seen of people being fired in Trek before.

It wasn't just that he was threatening to fire people, it was that there were...well..,farm workers at all.

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It just strikes me as very wrong to imply that instead of the vineyard being mostly automated - or something small where Picard can do it all by himself - that he has some unrelated hirelings he can threaten to fire at will - even if they were being racist. What does it say about labor relations in the 24th century for crissakes?
 
I mean I get that people still work.

But how is immediate termination a threat if people aren't being paid?

[Insert thinking dinosaur meme here.]
 
It wasn't just that he was threatening to fire people, it was that there were...well..,farm workers at all.

It just strikes me as very wrong to imply that instead of the vineyard being mostly automated - or something small where Picard can do it all by himself - that he has some unrelated hirelings he can threaten to fire at will - even if they were being racist. What does it say about labor relations in the 24th century for crissakes?
What about people who want to work on a vinyard?

Some people like to work with their hands.

What an odd thing to complain about.

And yes, people should be fired if they're doing something that hampers the work ethic, or lowers productivity.
 
I mean I get that people still work.

But how is immediate termination a threat if people aren't being paid?

[Insert thinking dinosaur meme here.]
Simple. If you feel passionate something and then that has the possibility of being taken away it might motivate becoming better. I mean, I had that with several jobs, regardless of the wage-I always wanted to do better. Isn't that what Picard lectured about-bettering ourselves?
 
I mean I get that people still work.

But how is immediate termination a threat if people aren't being paid?

[Insert thinking dinosaur meme here.]

People work for more than just money even now: Self-esteem and pride, respect of others, building a reputation, the chance to do bigger and better things, the inherent challenge of a job, enjoying the end product and just plain fun.

Getting to bring home bottles of Chateau Picard every so often and not having a living legend tell people how much you suck might be two obvious incentives to avoid termination.
 
People work for more than just money even now: Self-esteem and pride, respect of others, building a reputation, the chance to do bigger and better things, the inherent challenge of a job, enjoying the end product and just plain fun.

Getting to bring home bottles of Chateau Picard every so often and not having a living legend tell people how much you suck might be two obvious incentives to avoid termination.
Ah, social currency.
 
That's all well and good. I'm sure there are plenty of other vineyards for them to go work. If vintners don't have to worry about paying you, are they going to turn down your help?
 
Wow, Tendi thinks Mariner is RACIST.
And she's not wrong.

Mariner's racism (speciesism?) is borne of ignorance and insensitivity, but what I think Tendi found the most shocking (as did I, as the viewer) was Chief Lundy, who revealed his own prejudice by calling her a "dirty Orion", eliciting a shocked reaction from her.

Obviously, it wasn't the real Lundy, but rather a hologram, but since the holographic personalities are all based on real private logs, one wonders if Lundy, and the rest of the crew, don't have latent prejudices of their own. Although I wouldn't expect this to be further explored in a comedy, it's interesting that Lower Decks has touched upon a theme that is also explored in other Star Trek series.
 
That's all well and good. I'm sure there are plenty of other vineyards for them to go work. If vintners don't have to worry about paying you, are they going to turn down your help?
Maybe. With no money the emphasis on personality and social interactions will increase exponentially. If it isn't a good fit then yeah there is the possibility of turning down help.

For an ornery, hubristic old French guy who doesn't know when to shut the fuck up?
I've met stranger people.
 
That's all well and good. I'm sure there are plenty of other vineyards for them to go work. If vintners don't have to worry about paying you, are they going to turn down your help?
A. Not sure there actually are necessarily a lot of vineyards. Vineyards take up a lot of room and there's only so much real estate. Plus the "market" for actual wine with actual custom grapes probably is pretty limited with the existence of replicators and synthehol.
B. Do actual businesses and non-profits in the real world accept every would-be volunteer and let every volunteer they do accept stay forever? Of course not. Some people cause more problems than they are worth, even if they are working for free. Some people have personality clashes with management. Some people just don't have what it takes and aren't worth training.
C. Why are we talking about a deleted scene from Picard in a Lower Decks forum?
 
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