Spoilers Star Trek: Lower Decks 1x09 - "Crisis Point"

[donners22]

I think this is an example - much like the whole thing of Raffi and her comments about Picard being rich - where the Picard writers decided to just ignore established Trek just because they didn't like how anodyne it was.

The lore didn't make any sense. There are a hell of a lot of humans in the galaxy, and only limited space on earth. Only a few can have the privileges Picard does, and a degree of resentment is not surprising.

The lore in that respect was never really established either - it was lipservice at best, likely because the writers through it was, in Ron Moore's words, a bunch of hooey.

 

[Sarcastic Vulcan Salute]

The difference is, those aren't simulations of real people.

Explain from a moral standpoint what would make killing, raping, pillaging and otherwise harming simulated versions of fictional people any different from killing, raping, pillaging and otherwise harming simulated versions of real people -- asuming that neither acts as a gateway to your harming actual people.

 

[Sarcastic Vulcan Salute]

Nope.

The risk is just too great. You start having fantasies (whatever kind) about people you work with, it has the potential to poison your real-life relationships with them.

The same argument applies to fantasizing murder/death/kill with fake people -- it can influence how you treat real people.

 

[Sarcastic Vulcan Salute]

OK, a few super minor nitpicks about a great episode:

Instead of "When you get to Hell, tell the pah wraiths that Shaxs sent you!," it should have been "When you get to the Fire Caves..."

And including the admiral from "Moist Vessel" in Crisis Point should have meant that they had him awkwardly mispronounce some word again.

But I would be totally down with Crisis Point sequels or Crisis Point-like adventures that star Tendi, Rutherford and Boimler as the central hero/villain.

 

[ToddCam]

I think that some people would be able to keep the two ideas separate; others wouldn't. While watching the episode, I got that Mariner was probably someone who could ultimately handle the violent imagery on colleagues/loved ones, but it left me feeling uncomfortable (part of why it was a really great episode.)

Kind of related, I've had this argument with others who don't see why it might ever be an issue, but in the movie Groundhog Day, there is a segment where the Bill Murray character kills himself repeatedly. At one point he also kills the groundhog. I always thought, they have got to be skipping over the rape and murder segments. There's no way he could have been through all those repeated days without losing his ability (at least for a while) to think of those other people as people at all. They all reset every day with no memories of what he did to them. Consequence-less interactions.

 

[137th Gebirg]

This reminds me of the “Dungeons & Dragons obsession leads to Satan” bullshit of the 90’s.

 

[Nerys Myk]

This reminds me of the “Dungeons & Dragons obsession leads to Satan” bullshit of the 90’s.

And comic books in the 50's And Rock and Roll since it's inception. so many paths to Satan, no wonder he meets people at crossroads.

 

[TimeIsAPredator]

Lower Decks is a comedy. Can we please have a ban on people over analysing it or getting too deep with it please

 

[Lord Garth]

Lower Decks is a comedy. Can we please have a ban on people over analysing it or getting too deep with it please

Indeed. Over-analyzing Lower Decks is like over-analyzing Family Matters.

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[Charles Phipps]

Lower Decks is a comedy. Can we please have a ban on people over analysing it or getting too deep with it please

Yes, it's ridiculous. What's next, over-analyzing a science fiction show?

 

[fireproof78]

Lower Decks is a comedy. Can we please have a ban on people over analysing it or getting too deep with it please

No, thank you. I prefer to over analyze everything.

 

[Tuskin38]

I think this is an example - much like the whole thing of Raffi and her comments about Picard being rich - where the Picard writers decided to just ignore established Trek just because they didn't like how anodyne it was.

I disagree, this post puts it in better words than I can.
https://www.reddit.com/r/DaystromIn...3a/squaring_raffis_housing_situation_and_her/

Also, she never calls Picard 'rich'.

Which is great, because that certainly would have caused heads to explode.

Why? We've heard/seen of people being fired in Trek before.

What I don't understand is why everyone keeps calling them "Rat People". These totally look like Anticans to me, which are far more canine in appearance than rats.

Based on comments on twitter they were inspired by the Anticans and the uh... other species I don't remember the name of, but they're not actually them, just a allusion to the TNG species.

 

[Orphalesion]

7/10

Found it pretty funny, and the character stuff with Mariner was pretty good (also, Boimler finding out she's Freeman's duaghter)
But movie Star Trek is just my least favourite kind of Star Trek, so I didn't enjoy the references as much.

My favourite joke was Tendi's "Many Orions haven't been Pirate-Ganster-Liberatians for ALMOST FIVE YEARS NOW!"

 

[BillJ]

I prefer to over analyze everything.

We’re part of an elite club.

 

[valkyrie013]

9/10 Funny but not quite as good as others.
STARSHIP PORN! HA!

 

[Orphalesion]

I found nothing unhealthy or weird about Marina's little revenge fantasy/fanfiction. She clearly was under a lot of psychological stress and just needed to vent that somehow and it ended with her realizing/declaring that she'd do everything for her friends, mother and ship.
It's like blowing off steam when playing a video game. Like I know I have created people I'm annoyed with in the Sims and locked them in a room with a blazing house fire, or have had fantasies about being able to chuck fire balls at people.
Does that mean that I actually want to kill someone? No, of course not. But anger/annoyance/frustration needs to be vented somehow, so why not in the form of a video game, for example?

 

[fireproof78]

I found nothing unhealthy or weird about Marina's little revenge fantasy/fanfiction. She clearly was under a lot of psychological stress and just needed to vent that somehow and it ended with her realizing/declaring that she'd do everything for her friends, mother and ship.
It's like blowing off steam when playing a video game. Like I know I have created people I'm annoyed with in the Sims and locked them in a room with a blazing house fire, or have had fantasies about being able to chuck fire balls at people.
Does that mean that I actually want to kill someone? No, of course not. But anger/annoyance/frustration needs to be vented somehow, so why not in the form of a video game, for example?

The comment immediately remind me of SFDebris remark about violence and video games when he is reviewing "Code of Honor." "Even the left wing utopia of Star Trek shows the holodeck being used immediately to create someone to beat up." (paraphrasing).

 

[Orphalesion]

The comment immediately remind me of SFDebris remark about violence and video games when he is reviewing "Code of Honor." "Even the left wing utopia of Star Trek shows the holodeck being used immediately to create someone to beat up." (paraphrasing).

I mean it's also a big reason why spectator sports are so big, we have some left over animal instincts that need a safe outlet in our modern society.

 

[fireproof78]

I mean it's also a big reason why spectator sports are so big, we have some left over animal instincts that need a safe outlet in our modern society.

Well, now you're just making too much sense and its rather annoying. Sports? In Star Trek? *pfftt*

 

[Kamen Rider Blade]

The same argument applies to fantasizing murder/death/kill with fake people -- it can influence how you treat real people.

The same argument is used by modern day politicians that "Video Games" are too violent & realistic and a bad influence on our youth.

The same moral panic folks that demonized Comic Books, D&D, Pinball, Magic the Gathering (TCG), etc.

There's been plenty of studies on Video Games, even violent ones and the effect it has on youth.