The three CW Universes (Arrow/Flash, Supergirl & Black Lightning) were merged into one. Each of the non CW shows and Stargirl all exist in their own Universes as do the DCEU movies.
DC Movies - To Infinity and Beyond
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To be specific, all the current CW shows are on Earth-Prime, a merger of the former Earth-1, Earth-38, and whatever Earth Black Lightning was on. As for the others:
Stargirl: Earth-2 (a new one evidently replacing the old one from The Flash which was destroyed in the Crisis)
Titans: Earth-9
Swamp Thing: Earth-19
Doom Patrol: Earth-21
And yes, a version of the Doom Patrol did appear in a Titans episode as a backdoor pilot, with several of the same actors, but they were portrayed quite differently than they ended up being in their own show, so those must've been alternate-world doppelgangers.
Stargirl: Earth-2 (a new one evidently replacing the old one from The Flash which was destroyed in the Crisis)
Titans: Earth-9
Swamp Thing: Earth-19
Doom Patrol: Earth-21
And yes, a version of the Doom Patrol did appear in a Titans episode as a backdoor pilot, with several of the same actors, but they were portrayed quite differently than they ended up being in their own show, so those must've been alternate-world doppelgangers.
What I never got was why they just didn't bother making them all the same world in the first place. They were all made by WB and the same studios.
Supergirl was on a different world because it was on CBS in its first season and the network wanted it to stand alone (plus it was shot in LA then, so crossovers weren't easy to arrange). Similarly, Black Lightning was developed as a FOX show, IIRC (and is filmed in Atlanta).
Also, neither of them really fit the Arrowverse history, in which superheroes weren't a publicly known phenomenon until the Arrow and the Flash showed up. Supergirl was in a setting where Superman had been an active hero for well over a decade already, and BL was about a middle-aged hero coming out of retirement after 8-9 years away. Of course, the Arrowverse eventually rewrote its own past by retconning in Batman as the first modern superhero, but they handwaved him as an urban legend not really believed to exist except by Gothamites.
Also, neither of them really fit the Arrowverse history, in which superheroes weren't a publicly known phenomenon until the Arrow and the Flash showed up. Supergirl was in a setting where Superman had been an active hero for well over a decade already, and BL was about a middle-aged hero coming out of retirement after 8-9 years away. Of course, the Arrowverse eventually rewrote its own past by retconning in Batman as the first modern superhero, but they handwaved him as an urban legend not really believed to exist except by Gothamites.
So they're spending more to add stuff to make a shitty movie worse then, for example, FOX spent to make Deadpool, which is an amazing movie. It makes me wonder why WB is trying so hard to suck up to Snyder-stans and (presumably) Snyder himself, especially considering the fact that his style tanked their original DC Universe plans, and most of their movies going forward (except for the horrible looking The Batman), seem to staying as far away from Snyder's stuff as possible. Really, all its done is made the loud, obnoxious Snyder fans think they "wong" something, which will embolden then (and other similar loud assholes) in the future. I mean, how many people would have to subscribe to HBO Max just for the Snyder cut to make HBO break even on $70 million, much less turn a profit? I mean, it will probably see physical release eventually, but still.
I kind of hope they pull a Disney and charge a fee for the film on top of the streaming service fee at first, if only because seeing the rabid Snyder fans have to give over more money would be entertaining.
It is worth noting that the above interview with Cavill took place before the reshoots were officially announced. Of course, this may not make any difference but it does allow for the possibility of him also taking part in the reshoots.
Apparently you are incorrect, since the DCEU he launched is still producing movies set in the same universe; other long running movies series (like the Bond series) have seen different writers and/or directors add other tones to films, although they are the same series / continuity.
The only one being obnoxious are the thankfully small group of people who claim to hate all of Snyder's DC films (and by association, their fans) but waste hours--days of their lives bitching about the man and the films. Unlike those who bitch, it is clear WB knows there is a very large global audience / fanbase who want to see the Snyder cut (and more). Where big budget franchise films are concerned, studios do not invest this kind of money into pleasing a small minority, so that oft-whined, patently uninformed argument is the end result of people who are just nursing their own stinging butthurt over a series that was/is effective enough that innumerable audience members made their feelings known, thus WB made Snyder's JL a reality.
In Black Lightning's case, it was due to its developers--Salim & Mara Brock Akil and Oz Scott--wanting a series in its own world with a distinctive black voice, presentation and message not to be muddled by involvement with the other CW series, and they were correct, as the very serious nature and recognition of the black experience as presented on Black Lightning is as far removed from the other series that forcing a united would would have been as unbelievable a fit as trying to place Reno 911! with Casino. Even with the mess that was the CW-Crisis and its aftermath, the Black Lightning world did not have characters acknowledging the existence / awareness of anyone else from other series, and the series arc continued as it was intended to.
The Batman has absolutely nothing to do with Snyder or any of his movies, it's a new version of the character and his world. Even if you hadn't heard the announcements about it when the movie was first announced, I would think it would have been obvious once we saw Commisioner Gordon. Unless you think Jeffrey Wright is going to somehow turn into J.K. Simmons at some point.
And even just stylistically what we saw in the trailer, looks absolutely nothing like what Snyder does.
Aldis Hodge is Hawkman in Black Adam
https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/heat-vision/black-adam-aldis-hodge-in-talks-to-play-hawkman-in-new-lines-dc-movie
https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/heat-vision/black-adam-aldis-hodge-in-talks-to-play-hawkman-in-new-lines-dc-movie
Hmm, not someone who would have come to mind immediately for me. Not because of his race, but because the only role I know him for is Alec Hardison on Leverage, which is not a role that immediately makes you think superhero. He was great on that, so I'm confident he's a good actor and will do a good job,
Come to think of it, if it's the version of Hawkman who's supposed to be the reincarnation of an Egyptian (which seems likely given it's a Black Adam film), it's probably less of a stretch to cast a black actor than a white one.
Given it's just about the only thing that ties the two characters together, it's a sure bet.
Snyder's movies failed, period. Making a profit doesn't mean they were successes, at least not in the way that WB wanted. People in general rejected his astetic and style of making "superhero" movies. He couldn't even break a billion with the first on screen meeting of Superman and Batman in live action. Aquaman, which rejected his style completely, kicked Batman v Superman's ass in the box office. Wonder Woman 1984, while having huge problems (mostly down to terrible casting), looks to be about as far from a Snyder film as its possible to get, and The Suicide Squad sure as fuck isn't going to resemble his films.
All of the successful DC films of recent years have rejected Snyder and his grim, Ayn rand obsessed bullshit. Sharing some actors with Snyder's films doesn't mean he succeeded at anything, it just means that WB liked some of the work of the various casting departments/people that worked in relation to him. His influence is already mostly gone (even The Batman is more of Nolan's kind of bullshit then Snyders), and Flashpoint will be the final nail in the Snyder DCEU coffin, even if some of the actors from a few Snyder lead films (possibly just Gadot and Momoa) will be sticking around for a few more movies.
Its grimdark, a bunch of people involved with the movie have talked about how dark it is, and it seems to be doing "What if Riddler was Jigsaw". The movie is grimdark shit. It might be a different kind of grimdark shit then Snyder's style, but it comes from the same idiotic mentality (started by Nolan's films) that Batman, and superheroes in general, need to be dark and brooding and have as little to do with the comics as possible. No cool gadgets or fun villains for Batman, Riddler just fucking murders people like he's in a Saw film and Batman has a bunch of handmade junk because god forbid any part of a live action Batman movie be fun or inventive.
So, The Batman is continuing a trend that Snyder tried, but it is probably more Christopher Nolan's fault.
So. Much. Yawn.