Worst lines of dialogue in Trek?

[drew]

Sure. We can still talk atheism though since it isn't a religion. It's a lack of a religion. Nice try though Oddish.

EDIT: I must agree with you though. Stalin did kill millions of people and this is a great reason not to support him or worship him. So let's agree not to support anyone/anything that willfully kills millions of people, okay? I think that's reasonable enough. I think every human should be able to agree that genocide is inexcusable under any circumstances. Now, which entities, people, and organizations are responsible for genocide again? Oh, sorry, no religion.

 

[Oddish]

No, but it's definitely a faith, and I have gotten exceedingly efficient at proving it. But since 11001001 has "asked" us to desist, I will leave it at that.

 

[1001001]

Sure. We can still talk atheism though since it isn't a religion. It's a lack of a religion. Nice try though Oddish.

EDIT: I must agree with you though. Stalin did kill millions of people and this is a great reason not to support him or worship him. So let's agree not to support anyone/anything that willfully kills millions of people, okay? I think that's reasonable enough. I think every human should be able to agree that genocide is inexcusable under any circumstances. Now, which entities, people, and organizations are responsible for genocide again? Oh, sorry, no religion.

Whatever your beef is, it doesn’t belong here. Take it to Misc or TNZ.

This is the last warning. Drop it.

 

[drew]

Understood, I'm sorry. I'll be waiting in Misc for the explanation of how a lack of belief = a faith. This must be good.

 

[Locutus of Bored]

Whatever your beef is, it doesn’t belong here. Take it to Misc or TNZ.

 

[1001001]

 

[BillJ]

Odds of that civilization surviving: about as high as Spock giving up ambassadorship to pursue a career as a thong-clad hot oil wrestler.

Yet, here we are.

Coon probably wasn't the worst writer overall to work on Star Trek, but no one else I can think of just actively tried to enforce the idea that Starfleet was a christian organisation. Makes me sick.

It was Roddenberry's show, if he had a problem with it he sure didn't show it.

 

[Oddish]

Yet, here we are.

You mean that back in our caveman days, our women lived underground in pampered comfort for centuries, then just got randomly thrown out and forced to live among us?

Wow, my history is hazier than I thought.

 

[BillJ]

You mean that back in our caveman days, our women lived underground in pampered comfort for centuries, then just got randomly thrown out and forced to live among us?

Nope. That humans seem to thrive, no matter how fucked up the situation.

 

[Mytran]

It was Roddenberry's show, if he had a problem with it he sure didn't show it.

Wasn't he on holiday during the production of that episode? I recall reading somewhere that he came back and was none too impressed with all the religious dialogue, but by then it was too late!

 

[BillJ]

Wasn't he on holiday during the production of that episode? I recall reading somewhere that he came back and was none too impressed with all the religious dialogue, but by then it was too late!

For months? He never looked at the script? Seems like he was playing absentee father.

 

[Mytran]

For months? He never looked at the script? Seems like he was playing absentee father.

I could be mixing it up with the brief mention of a god in Who Mourns For Adonais I suppose, but that would require me to actually start digging through my books...and I'm not even sure where I read it!

 

[BillJ]

I could be mixing it up with the brief mention of a god in Who Mourns For Adonais I suppose, but that would require me to actually start digging through my books...and I'm not even sure where I read it!

I tend to overlook the religious stuff that pops up in Trek. Just because humanity generally could move on from religion, it doesn't mean every single person will.

 

[Mytran]

I tend to overlook the religious stuff that pops up in Trek. Just because humanity generally could move on from religion, it doesn't mean every single person will.

The only overt admiration for a human religion is certainly Bread And Circuses, the other appearances are really minor and could just as easily be explained as language remnants etc (like McCoy's "Lord forgive me" in Man Trap)

 

[Orphalesion]

Like a lot of things it's also gotta be viewed in the context of its time, if I'm not mistaken in the 1960s the myth of the earliest days of Christianity as a time of harmony and innocence was still strong. Where the first Christians were viewed as idealistic pacifists who agreed on every detail with each other (because "the word" was "untainted" yet) before all the negative stuff happened due to (mostly Papal) misuse/perversion of the religion.
Today we know better of course, but I think at the time that romantic view was still prevalent. So i assume that's what they were talking about at the end of Bread and Circuses, a possibility to see those (fictional) days of innocence and a hope that on that planet it won't be "perverted" like it supposedly was on Earth.
Of course it sounds corny from a modern perspective.

Honestly I never liked the "Everyone is an Atheist in Star Trek" stance Roddenberry had. A secular society where faith has become a strictly personal, largely private, thing would have been my preference.
Plus...how come all the aliens get to keep their believes and afterlives?

 

[Xhiandra]

I could be mixing it up with the brief mention of a god in Who Mourns For Adonais I suppose, but that would require me to actually start digging through my books...and I'm not even sure where I read it!

By the way, that brief mention ("we find the one sufficient") goes entirely counter to the rest of the episode, and really cheapens it from a statement on humanity standing on its own, outgrowing the need for deities (real or imagined, not starting that debate) to "my god is better than your god(s)!"

Oh, well, TNG fixed that.

 

[Oddish]

Though I'm no humanist, I thought Picard handled it nicely when Data asked him what death was. He didn't espouse the traditional religious image of Heaven or paradise, and he didn't espouse the atheistic notion of oblivion, either. He believed that neither of the two was entirely applicable.

 

[Orphalesion]

Though I'm no humanist, I thought Picard handled it nicely when Data asked him what death was. He didn't espouse the traditional religious image of Heaven or paradise, and he didn't espouse the atheistic notion of oblivion, either. He believed that neither of the two was entirely applicable.

Yeah I thoughtthat particular exchange was very well handled.

 

[Search4]

Khaaaaaaaaaaaaaaan!

Kirk's was ridiculous and hammy but okay, Spock's was pure cringe and took me out of an otherwise amazing movie for a few minutes.

Disagree. He was selling Khan that he was stuck down in the cavern - when he was soon to be back on Enterprise. Tactics.

 

[Mytran]

Honestly I never liked the "Everyone is an Atheist in Star Trek" stance Roddenberry had. A secular society where faith has become a strictly personal, largely private, thing would have been my preference.
Plus...how come all the aliens get to keep their believes and afterlives?

I don't think the former was the creators' opinion of humanity in the TOS era - after all, the ship had a multi faith chapel!
This changed of course in TNG