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DC Movies - To Infinity and Beyond

Regrets it, at least the destruction, happened (though he thought a bigger risk with Vision was still needed), seems to mostly blame others, and to still believe that centralizing power, surveillance and authority despite the risks of doing so is still the best way to get protection and control.

He believed it happened *because* they were all just acting on their own authority and that the answer was to turn it all over to govt. oversight. That's why he says point blank 'We have to be put in check'.

Yes, he took the wrong lesson from Ultron which is why he isn't the good guy in Civil War, but he is very clearly sorry and trying to prevent it from happening again.

He was used as a role model/spokesman in a government-mandated-for-schools fitness video.

That scene is literally a joke. The punchline is 'I'm pretty sure this guy's a war criminal now.' Which, first, looking at that phrasing ('pretty sure', blatantly misinterpreting Cap's crime, and seemingly can't remember Cap's name), it rather seems like Cap's level of celebrity is less 'OMG, it's Oprah!' and more 'hey, isn't that the guy from the thing?'. And secondly, trying to interpret that scene as Cap being so super-popular even post-cw that the state thinks he's a fine role model for kids would completely destroy the entire joke. The entire reason it's funny is because it's an arbitrary rule that's blatantly illogical, and like most such things in bureaucratic systems, probably isn't even supported by anyone anymore but is just a relic of a different time that no one can be bothered to change.

I don't think the comic book character would want to drop out of high school at 15 or 16.

You know this has literally nothing to do with the statement you quoted there, right?

In any case, Peter is a teenager who had a passing fancy before being faced with reality and letting it go. Not only is that a pattern I've seen the comics character repeat many times, but it's highly relatable, which is also, as I said, one of the most important aspects of the character. Certainly more important than whether or not one thinks he might temporarily desire to quit school in order to become a professional hero. And since he never came anywhere near actually quitting school, it would hardly be a major change, anyway.

If Spidey had been in Civil War in a role other than as Tony's 'secret weapon', and if Tony hadn't basically been the co-star of Homecoming, MCU Spidey would be a better character

Tony had like 8 minutes of screentime in Homecoming. :rolleyes:
 
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Woops, must have gone in the MCU thread by mistake.


Oh.

As if there wasn't DC Movie stuff to talk about right now.

Chris Nolan not only supports Robert Pattinson's Batman, he suggested John David Washington for Green Lantern. James Gunn considered, but ultimately dismissed putting Dogwelder into The Suicide Squad. And Dwayne Johnson (and family) was just diagnosed with CoVID. Not to mention a new Superman animated movie being released these days.

There's plenty to talk about. Want to discuss the MCU, there's a different thread for that.
 
I was, I am extremely sorry to say, quite underwhelmed by Superman: Man of Tomorrow. Despite a promising start, I found the final third of it quite boring and I soon found myself remembering when I watched Brainiac Attacks. (The fighting just seemed to go on and on and on...) Strangely enough, I recently caved and finally watched Justice League: Gods & Monsters. I don't tend to like the alternate reality stuff as much, but it was really quite good.
 
Also bringing this entire topic back to DC.......

Who else is very curious about Colin Farrell's Pinguin?? That one shot from the trailer really had me so confused and as an actor he certainly has the skill to do some interesting things.
 
The make-up department certainly did a number on him. I also wonder if, after Michael Clarke Duncan, Ben Affleck and now Farrell, we'll eventually get a complete set of Daredevil movie actors in DC roles. Three down, three to go.

Hang on, Jon Favreau was in Batman Forever.

Four down, two to go.
 
The make-up department certainly did a number on him. I also wonder if, after Michael Clarke Duncan, Ben Affleck and now Farrell, we'll eventually get a complete set of Daredevil movie actors in DC roles. Three down, three to go.

Hang on, Jon Favreau was in Batman Forever.

Four down, two to go.

I could see Jennifer Garner as Zatanna.
 
Strangely enough, I recently caved and finally watched Justice League: Gods & Monsters. I don't tend to like the alternate reality stuff as much, but it was really quite good.

It was okay, but Wonder Woman's boobtacular outfit caused me to facepalm and I thought Michael C Hall was phoning it in too much as Batman.

Darn shame they didn't continue as planned, I saw some designs they had for other AU characters like J'Onn J'Onzz as a Green Lantern.
 
The make-up department certainly did a number on him. I also wonder if, after Michael Clarke Duncan, Ben Affleck and now Farrell, we'll eventually get a complete set of Daredevil movie actors in DC roles. Three down, three to go.

Hang on, Jon Favreau was in Batman Forever.

Four down, two to go.
And Jon Favreau was in those Spider-Man movies that would've been better if the character had been allowed to be more independent and hey, wait!
 
Strangely enough, I recently caved and finally watched Justice League: Gods & Monsters. I don't tend to like the alternate reality stuff as much, but it was really quite good.

Gods & Monsters is, in my opinion, the only time Bruce Timm's obsession of the last few years of making more "adult" DC cartoons has actually worked. His other stuff in that style has been terrible, whether its stuff he actually wrote (Batman & harley Quinn is like a giant fuck you to batman TAS) or stuff he produced (Batman: The Killing Joke having that fucking awful Batgirl prologue that makes the story's problems worse, while not written by him, was approved to be animated by him because he was one of the producers, and it fits with his creepy Bruce/Barbara fan shipping that he was doing even back in the 90s). The funny thing is, Gods & Monsters was only produced/story by him, not the script, so even then he had better people making his ideas work.

At this point, I honestly believe that Bruce Timm is a liability to DC animation, which sucks but he's caught the edgelord bug that so many at DC comics have, and its ruined his output. Its not even good "adult humor" stuff, its what an angsty 14 year old things is adult. Theres a reason that the last good DCAU related project, the animated movie Justice League vs The Fatal Five, was god, and its probably because Bruce Timm had nothing to do with it.
 
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Also bringing this entire topic back to DC.......

Who else is very curious about Colin Farrell's Pinguin?? That one shot from the trailer really had me so confused and as an actor he certainly has the skill to do some interesting things.
This typo reminds me of of how DC and Marvel missed the chance to create the King Penguin when they did Amalagam. (Batman/Daredevil made mores sense than Batman/Wolverine)
I could see Jennifer Garner as Zatanna.
I'd prefer someone more Mediterranean.
Pretty odd. Robert Pattinson as Batman reminds me so much of the idea of Ashton Kutcher playing Batman.
Why? Pattinson has more than earned his acting chops. Kutcher, not so much.
 
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I'd prefer some more Mediterranean.
She's also pushing 50, and that's a quite a older than I tend to image Zatanna being. It's not an ageist thing, I would have no problem with present day Jennifer Garner being cast as a hero, but Z is just one character who I always specifically thought of as someone younger, like in her mid or last 20s.
But even when she was younger, she doesn't really match what I picture Zatanna looking like.
 
She's also pushing 50, and that's a quite a older than I tend to image Zatanna being. It's not an ageist thing, I would have no problem with present day Jennifer Garner being cast as a hero, but Z is just one character who I always specifically thought of as someone younger, like in her mid or last 20s.
But even when she was younger, she doesn't really match what I picture Zatanna looking like.
Youth is part of who Zatanna is. She's younger that the core JLAers, but older than the original Titans.
 
How to do a new-start film for familiar characters without doing an origin is a still-open issue [...]. An origin story can be particularly divisive in being boringly same-old and/or feeling too different.

Sometimes, just a few iconic images are all you need. Even though everyone is already very familiar with Batman's origin, that still didn't stop Snyder from using it for his opening credit sequence in Batman v. Superman. But it was well shot and only took up 5 minutes of screentime, then we could get to the meat of the story. In the case of Superman, given that Man of Steel came 35 years after Superman (1978) and special effects had advanced substantially during that time period, I think that his origin was due for another look.

I hated the way BvS reduced Perry to a mercenary, headline-grabbing tabloid journalist, the diametric opposite of the paragon of ethical journalism he's traditionally been in the comics.

What struck me about Perry was that he didn't want to be that kind of journalist but was so beaten down by the death throes of the newspaper industry that it gave him a veneer of cynicism.

Thing is, I’m not interested in painstakingly mining a Superman movie for a few small nuggets of positivity; I want it to be a rich, open vein of the stuff. I’m equally uninterested in seeing Superman barely eke out a costly and compromised victory; I want it to be triumphant, thrilling, exhilarating. To me, that’s the pop cultural role the character fills — you’ve got Batman for all your morally gray noodlings.

I agree with all of this to such a degree that I'm very tempted to make this my new sig line. I don't think I will. But I came close.

all I could think when watching Martha and Lois together was that Diane Lane in her prime would've been a far better Lois than Amy Adams could manage

And we know from Hollywoodland that Diane Lane is totally interested in banging Superman. That always made me wonder about Batfleck's "Martha" thing. Kinda Oedipal if you ask me. :p

Wasn't Rosamund Pike the first choice for Lois in MOS?

Wait, first Diane Lane from Hollywoodland and now Rosamund Pike from Gone Girl? Are all of the proposed Lois Lanes going to be actresses with failed on-screen relationships with Ben Affleck? Can I nominate Joey Lauren Adams next?

I could see Jennifer Garner as Zatanna.

I suspect that they would go with someone younger for Zatanna. I kinda wanna see Garner as Batfleck's Catwoman.

Batman & harley Quinn is like a giant fuck you to batman TAS

Interesting. I haven't seen Batman & Harley Quinn, or indeed most of the DC animated movies, though I've been meaning to catch up. What's the deal with that one? Why is it an f-you to TAS?
 
Interesting. I haven't seen Batman & Harley Quinn, or indeed most of the DC animated movies, though I've been meaning to catch up. What's the deal with that one? Why is it an f-you to TAS?

Basically, its a mediocre (at best, but frequently terrible) adult animated comedy. This is a stupid thing to do with the Batman TAS style/voices anyway, but the fact that the humor is sub Adult Swim is frequently infuriating. One of the most notable "jokes" (I think it was even in the trailer) is Harley riding with Batman in the Batmobile (I think Nightwing is there, too) and she farts, and Batman and Nightwing just react to it. Its a joke done a thousand times in a thousand shitty comedies, and its honestly pathetic and sad to have to see Kevin Conroy's Batman deal with that. All the comedy in the movie is like that, standard crappy jokes, some really childish like that and some trying to be "adult", and it just sucks.

The film is Bruce Timm trying to be "adult" in the most childish way possible, and dragging the Batman TAS brand down with him. The Batman TAS brand being part of this film is the only reason it hasn't been forgotten by probably everyone who saw it, because outside of the BTAS stuff its anyone who has seen a terrible adult animated comedy film or show has basically seen this. The Harley Quinn animated show, while I don't like it, is at least its own thing and does try to stand out.

Also, the elements outside of the comedy aren't all that good, either. The voice acting in general in the film isn't great. Conroy and the returning TAS Nightwing are great, but this film started the trend of hiring crappy Big Bang Theory actresses to voice Harley, although at least Melissa Rauch actually tries to do an accent in this, unlike Kaley cucco who just speaks with her normal voice in the Harley Quinn animated series. The story is generic and forgettable, with Poison Ivy and the Floronic Man having some plan that is impossible to give a shit about. There is also a horrible musical number with Harley, which really shows off how bad Rauch is at voice acting (the sequence would have sucked even with a real voice actor, but its even worse with her).

A lot of the DC Animated movies, especially pre-New 52 animated universe movies, are absolute classics, and I'd recommend them to any fan of DC characters. Batman & Harley Quinn is just a shitty attempt at doing something that the Harley Quinn cartoon would do a thousand times better years later.
 
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