DC Movies - To Infinity and Beyond
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What I really enjoyed about the scene where Peter and Tony first met was Tony's reaction when Peter told him his philosophy that "If you have power and do nothing, and bad things happen, then they happen because of you."
He realized Peter's views were WAY more in line with Steve's than with Tony himself. He seemed a bit uncomfortable.
There's the somewhat questionable thing that Tony essentially brought a child soldier with him to that fight, but he openly told Peter than he knew Steve would've been holding back against all of them anyways.
^^^
Yep - Certainly not the teenage Spiderman.
I found It very wrong of Tony to bring Peter in a fight, maybe Steve would be holding back but could he say the same of the other people?
Peter may be strong but he was only 15 years
Hardly. He was there just to needlessly shove him into an already bloated movie, and lacked the heart of what made even early Parker tick. Instead of having the individualist's spirit which was in place since 1963, the MCU version was more Spidey-Lad than Spider-Man, always waving his arms to get Stark's approval/attention like a sidekick.
From the start of his MCU association, he was there just to needlessly shove him into an already bloated movie, and lacked the heart of what made even early comic book Parker tick. Instead of having the individualist's spirit which was in place since 1963, the MCU version was more Spidey-Lad than Spider-Man, always waving his arms to get Stark's approval/attention like a sidekick.
...and even in Far From Home, he's still not a truly developed individual with a purpose, which again, is something well established in the earliest Spider-Man comics.
From the start of his MCU association, he was there just to needlessly shove him into an already bloated movie, and lacked the heart of what made even early comic book Parker tick. Instead of having the individualist's spirit which was in place since 1963, the MCU version was more Spidey-Lad than Spider-Man, always waving his arms to get Stark's approval/attention like a sidekick.
...and even in Far From Home, he's still not a truly developed individual with a purpose, which again, is something well established in the earliest Spider-Man comics.
Spider-Man is an Avenger, and has pretty consistently been a major part of Marvel's other team-up comics pretty much since they started doing them, so I really don't see where he's ever been that independent. He's also played a pretty big role in pretty much every big crossover event story Marvel has done, going at least as far back as the original Secret Wars, which is where he picked up his the black suit/future Venom.
Hell, the second or third story to ever feature Spider-Man is about him trying to join the Fantastic Four.
Spider-Man has never really been that indepentent, and saying that independence is an major element of the character seems like a pretty big overstatement.
Hell, the second or third story to ever feature Spider-Man is about him trying to join the Fantastic Four.
Spider-Man has never really been that indepentent, and saying that independence is an major element of the character seems like a pretty big overstatement.
Not until 2005, though I think he may have had "reservist" status before then.
Well, that's the paradox of Spidey -- he's traditionally seen as a loner hero, and usually treated that way in his solo books, but because of his popularity he's the most heavily featured character in team-up books. (Sort of like how Batman has gotten a reputation as a loner despite having about a million Robins and constantly being on teams.)
And failing and having sour grapes about it. And going on to develop an active rivalry with the Human Torch.
Would you like some cheese with your whine?
A lot of the stuff that Peter struggled with in the early comics wouldn't even be big problems in modern society anymore.
Hmm...yeah, I can see that. He did feel rather tacked on in Civil War (a film I largely find unenjoyable anyway) and this gives an interesting insight. Now, my main exposure to Spider-man was via the cartoons, and some comics prior to the movies, but yeah he definitely always felt like a loner. And that was part of his appeal was this teen struggling with his sense of self and feeling alone with the burden he carried. Even as a teen that was something that appealed to me, and still does.
I can see where the MCU is coming from but it wasn't a Spider-man interpretation I find enjoyable.
But even in the team ups he always had this weight to him in terms of personal journey and feeling very loner. Hell, even the Lego Spider-man short acknowledged this trope and had some fun with it. That despite being on the team, he wasn't a part of the team. There was always something that kept him apart.
Well, as someone else pointed out, he's now been an Avenger for 15 years. At some point that fades, if he's consistently part of team-ups for decades, has been part of the major team for the amount of time it takes for a kid to go from Kindergartner to a sophomore in college.
I guess, maybe. Don't know enough about the comics to be honest. But, in the cartoon and films he wasn't so it feels off. But, I'm biased against CW so there's that too.
Like I said, that's the contradiction. It's not like he only appeared in the team-up books. Those were secondary to his main series, where he was portrayed as a loner.
In my 2008 Spidey novel Drowned in Thunder (which is getting reprinted in an omnibus next year, yay), I had Peter/Spidey reflect briefly on how he tended to have a reputation as a loner despite teaming up with other heroes quite often. (Although that novel was set not long before he joined the Avengers.)
It's like Logan is supposed to be a loner or Cyclops is supposed to be this upright guy that most people don't like being around.
As it is, Logan's had the largest amount of younger sidekicks of all the X-Men and Cyclops is pretty much their playboy with all the women he's been with.
Same with DC, despite being seen as a Boy Scout Superman's a bit more active with women than most would suspect and Batman the loner pretty much got his own Clan.
As it is, Logan's had the largest amount of younger sidekicks of all the X-Men and Cyclops is pretty much their playboy with all the women he's been with.
Same with DC, despite being seen as a Boy Scout Superman's a bit more active with women than most would suspect and Batman the loner pretty much got his own Clan.
If Spidey had been in Civil War in a role other than as Tony's 'secret weapon', and if Tony hadn't basically been the co-star of Homecoming, MCU Spidey would be a better character
The appeal of Spider-Man is that he doesn't need a mentor.
It's easy to take for granted just how long the lineage of comics can be. Like I know Wolverine from 150 issues of his solo series and 100's of issues of X-Men, mini-series and crossovers, which is decently exhaustive and yet I'm 15-20 year out of touch of what may have been happening with the character since. It'd be quite possible to have a number of faithful versions of the character over time.
IE, if MCU Spidey ignored that there were other heroes in the world and ignored that society had moves on past the 1960s and a lot of his and May's problems had easier solutions now?
And yes, Peter DID have a mentor in his own comics: His memories of Ben. He was always going on "What would Ben do?" during stuff.
In the Ultimate comics, Fury was his Mentor.