CBS Trek

[Nyotarules]

However, I feel like DIS lacks the morality lessoms of 90's Trek.

DISC 'morality' lessons are still there. I prefer shows that treat the audience as if they can think for themselves rather then the 'bludgeon over the head with it' method which worked in the past but now would be patronising.
(The anti drug speech in TNG that Tasha Yar makes, had me cringing in the 80's and makes me cringe now)

 

[Qonundrum]

BermanTrek definitely took the original franchise and blew it up into a massive universe. It also took a slightly cynical turn in showing how TNGland would still work with DS9 doing the work underneath to buoy it. VOY was incredibly hit or miss but with serial television being embryonic, VOY is a return to TOS/TNG style storytelling (as DS9's ratings were going down..) ENT was even more a mixed bag, and even the TNG movies from 1996 onward shows franchise stagnation and rot.

RoddenberryTrek definitely had a strong following, which blossomed in syndication as the show made enough episodes for reruns.

CBSTrek has been even more a mixed bag. A lot of "no thanks" stuff but enough scenes of interest that it's better than ENT, and had the potential to be better than VOY and far more regularly. Lower Decks, a self-parody, is a weird idea but its handling has been really solid so far. If not a little out there but it's not outrageous if you laugh...

No clue on NickelodeonTrek yet. As if TOS needed to have Romper Room and Captain Kangaroo to appeal to kids but it's not 1967 anymore and kids have either evolved or devolved since then. Then again, the channel isn't just for kids anymore and assuming it ever was:

https://www.bustle.com/articles/101...eon-cartoons-that-you-totally-missed-as-a-kid

Wow. And people think LD is overt?!

 

[Qonundrum]

DISC 'morality' lessons are still there. I prefer shows that treat the audience as if they can think for themselves rather then the 'bludgeon over the head with it' method which worked in the past but now would be patronising.
(The anti drug speech in TNG that Tasha Yar makes, had me cringing in the 80's and makes me cringe now)

I liked the scenes with "Killy Tilly" and Michael. Putting aside for a moment the mirror universe aspect, the main moral is still the same: developing self-confidence. Being mirror universe and all, the scene also had to play to that universe - the ultimate in going outside the comfort zone, surely? And Tilly was up to the task. And the scene in of itself is one of the good points of going back to the MU, even if I felt DSC/S1 was going there too early (having an infiltrator from the MU managing to blend in was also a cool idea and Mirror Lorca had more moments than (any Mirror-DS9 character). The show had its production ups and downs. Yes, I am aware DSC takes place before TOS and just because Spock opines how savages can act like civilized men - "Mirror Mirror" in of itself was a set of myopic absolutes - right down to just our universe vs the mirror one and no others. )

 

[fireproof78]

Honestly, for me, it's just a matter of personal interest. TNG never really garnered more than brief curiosity and wasn't must watch. VOY I tried and it didn't click either. DS9 was better and I eventually rewatched it all. Berman Trek was just not quite for me. It was OK if it was on, but I felt it was just OK.

CBS Trek is more dynamic to my mind. It's a little more willing to try something new and while it is hit and miss in terms of execution it's something that I find myself more interested in.

TOS is probably my favorite of the eras because it felt very dynamic. Things were all still new so I guess that appealed to me.

 

[XCV330]

Discovery started well and then kind of tripped over its feet as it picked up the pace. It's still very good, and with a lot of behind the scenes drama over, I think it will only improve. Lower Decks is just a lot of fun. People who like to pick things to death will do what they do. The kind of people who look for moral problems or or lessons in a comedy short trek like Trouble With Edward aren't going to be happy with Lower Decks. Picard aimed high from the start and while very enjoyable, I find myself wondering if it really needs a second season. I haven't had a desire to rewatch a single episode of Picard. If it was just a long ass movie about Picard as an old man, we've seen it, made our peace with him and enjoyed some wood fired pizza with whats left of the gang. maybe we can move on now.

My thoughts about Berman era trek are equally all over the place. I was never that much into TNG. I was a teenager and TNG was about as uncool as my sister's Barry Manilow records. Over the years I've come to accept that Barry Manilow is a damned good entertainer and Copa Cabana is actually a really dark, well written song. But I'm not going to a Barry Manilow convention, if there are such things, and I still don't love TNG on the whole, even if it has some good singles. DS9 was fantastic on the whole, with some boring spots. These were long seasons. They can't all be winners. Voyager had a good premise but by then, the powers that be were too risk adverse to make it really work. Enterprise coulda been somebody. It coulda been a contender.

I don't really know you can compare the 90's and early 2000's trek with CBS's offerings because the media has changed, standards and expectations have changed along with it.

 

[Captain Moe]

I love all of it, my personal favourite is the Berman era, I was a teenager at the time and a lot of my memories of those years are Star Trek related. The franchise was absolutely huge during the 90s and there was so much of it.

I do enjoy the new CBS stuff too and like the fact it’s trying to be different and giving us these short mini series type seasons. Lower Decks is something that just wouldn’t have happened under Berman but at the same time is so Berman era that it’s funny.

I am really looking forward to when they have 5 shows on and give us Trek all year round.

 

[fireproof78]

I don't really know you can compare the 90's and early 2000's trek with CBS's offerings because the media has changed, standards and expectations have changed along with it.

You really can't compare.

 

[dupersuper]

We had the original show in the 60's followed by Roddenberry/Berman Trek from 1987-2005. Now we have CBS Trek. Do you feel like modern Trek is on par, lesser, or better? I love the serialization, but shorter seasons means no stand alone episodes. I love the greater emphasis on emotional drama without loosing focus on the plot. However, I feel like DIS lacks the morality lessoms of 90's Trek. Picard seems to retain that, though it lacks the ship beauty shots that we get on DIS. The Short Treks are fun. I liked the tribble one despite it not quite fitting in with established lore. Yes, the Captain was atrocious, but I think that was on purpose. She was as bad a captain as the other guy was a scientist. Anyway, it was just a bit of humor that at worst, didn't work. What I didn't like was how the tribbles bred so damn fast. Speed of the plot, I guess? I don't like Lower Decks, mostly because I just find it falling flat. Cartoons should be funny. This one doesn't make me laugh. Given the first season is only 10 episodes, going to finish the season and give it a chance. Lots of good shows have awkward opening seaosns. Looking forward to Strange New Worlds and a return to episodic stories.

This thread is aimed at the overall CBS All Access take on Star Trek, not one specific series. Come share your love, hate, or indifference with us.

I definitely prefer TOS/TNG/DS9, but Lower Decks and Short Treks have entertained me, and I'm encouraged by the Discovery time-jump, the stated Strange New Worlds premise and the kid friendly Prodigy. Even with Picard it was nice to see those characters again (except the half of them they killed horribly...).

 

[Bry_Sinclair]

I definitely prefer TOS/TNG/DS9, but Lower Decks and Short Treks have entertained me, and I'm encouraged by the Discovery time-jump, the stated Strange New Worlds premise and the kid friendly Prodigy. Even with Picard it was nice to see those characters again (except the half of them they killed horribly...).

It's reading stuff like that that makes me less and less inclined to watch modern Trek, if all they do is fall on the modern trope of killing off loads of characters.

 

[Captain Moe]

Why read someone else's view and let them make up your mind? Surely if you are a fan you would want to watch for yourself and make up your own mind?

I mean I do get what you are saying, I have avoided watching lots of movies and shows because this and years later when I have watched them I have quite enjoyed them.

 

[Charles Phipps]

I love DISCOVERY and PICARD.

Is it my favorite? No. But it's certainly mid-tier.

 

[plynch]

Edit: TL,DR Old man howling at moon.

They keep disappointing, PIC moreso than DSC. I'll not rehash what I've written ad nauseam. If SNW disappoints, then fool me thrice, shame on me and I'm out.

Maybe it's just failure to admit I have changed and mass media have changed. When younger, being a Trekkie was a big part of my nerd identity. Marred, we watched Berman on VHS from a friend's full size satellite dish. Fun.

Watched TOS with the kids; my eldest has a signed Mulvrew pic, b/c Janeway was a role model. Toom her to a con, and I and my younger son dressed to go to Trek 09.

It's really weird to not be liking all this new product called Star Trek. But I've changed. The overall culture has changed --it's even more of a cesspool. ("W.A.P. ", anyone?) And the vibe and stories told on mass sci fi are not to my liking. Yup, time to move on.

 

[KennyB]

Edit: TL,DR Old man howling at moon.

It's really weird to not be liking all this new product called Star Trek. But I've changed. The overall culture has changed --it's even more of a cesspool. Yup, time to move on.

I understand and you are entitled to move on. What I have trouble with is people who feel like that and DON'T move on. I get that new Trek might not be for you, and that's cool, but would you make fun of your kids because THEY like it? That's what I see a lot of older fans doing........not to their kids but to fans that do like the newer stuff, which is sad on many levels. Hell I never could get my kids to watch TOS or TNG but they both wanted to see ST09 when I went and they were in their mid/late teens buy then. So while it may not be my favorite Trek I love that younger fans are coming to see the new stuff........

 

[Bry_Sinclair]

Why read someone else's view and let them make up your mind? Surely if you are a fan you would want to watch for yourself and make up your own mind?

I mean I do get what you are saying, I have avoided watching lots of movies and shows because this and years later when I have watched them I have quite enjoyed them.

If I decide to fork out for yet another streaming service I'll trial Picard, but I'm not chomping at the bit to see it.

 

[1001001]

I love DISCOVERY and PICARD.

Is it my favorite? No. But it's certainly mid-tier.

I do love Discovery. Picard was very good until the last two episodes. The ending was so bad (IMHO) that it pretty much ruined it for me.

Lower Decks is a lot of fun.

That is all I have to say about that.

 

[Captain Moe]

If I decide to fork out for yet another streaming service I'll trial Picard, but I'm not chomping at the bit to see it.

That's fair enough I hadn't taken that into account. CBS will be broadcasting S1 of DIS in late September could be a good sampler without having to pay for a sub.

 

[Bry_Sinclair]

That's fair enough I hadn't taken that into account. CBS will be broadcasting S1 of DIS in late September could be a good sampler without having to pay for a sub.

Firstly, in the UK so that wouldn't help. Secondly, already waste a couple hours of my life on that, won't be wasting any more

 

[ananta]

Picard aimed high from the start and while very enjoyable, I find myself wondering if it really needs a second season. I haven't had a desire to rewatch a single episode of Picard. If it was just a long ass movie about Picard as an old man, we've seen it, made our peace with him and enjoyed some wood fired pizza with whats left of the gang. maybe we can move on now.

This pretty much captures my feelings about Picard. I really enjoyed it at the time, bar the eye-gouging episode, but have no desire to rewatch it and am not hankering for a second season. It kind of felt like a final bow for the Picard character and doesn’t really cry out for another season. That said, if it’s a good enough story...

 

[BillJ]

If I decide to fork out for yet another streaming service I'll trial Picard, but I'm not chomping at the bit to see it.

I was really excited for Picard when it premiered, still struggling to finish it.

 

[fireproof78]

I understand and you are entitled to move on. What I have trouble with is people who feel like that and DON'T move on. I get that new Trek might not be for you, and that's cool, but would you make fun of your kids because THEY like it? That's what I see a lot of older fans doing........not to their kids but to fans that do like the newer stuff, which is sad on many levels. Hell I never could get my kids to watch TOS or TNG but they both wanted to see ST09 when I went and they were in their mid/late teens buy then. So while it may not be my favorite Trek I love that younger fans are coming to see the new stuff........

This is my view as well. Like, I understand that for many Star Trek was part of the identity, possibly during the formative years of a person's life. Maybe that's why individuals keep returning to the new stuff in a vain effort to fit that square peg in to a round Star Trek shaped box.

I guess I had that feeling early on or something but I see no reason to keep hoping some Star Trek gets better. Not for me, time to move on, and maybe the next one.