I think it's all a self-fulfilling prophecy. Higher ranking officers must get better stuff so their stuff is automatically better.
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Yeah, sleeping in the corridors in bunks never made any sense to me (and this is supposed to be 'canon').
Even on USS Discovery, we've seen both Tilly and Burnham sharing one quarters (and that's over 100 years into the past).
Same on USS Voyager... two ensigns (or an ensign and a crewman) were sharing quarters (but otherwise didn't have bunk beds).
The Cerritos is not a particularly small vessel and seems to have more than enough room to house everyone comfortably (in fact, Starfleet would DESIGN ships to house all its crew comfortably).
Keeping 'ensigns' in some kind of 'shelter accommodations' seems utterly unrealistic for Trek Federation.
Heck, even on 1701 original the crew shared quarters... they certainly didn't sleep in bunks in corridors.
It reeks of 'social stratification', whereas such things were supposed to be eradicated centuries ago.
I think the writers transpose too much of current day operations into the future which is supposed to be very different.
Even when we see bunks, such as in Undiscovered Country, they are always in a room, not in the corridors.
Though for a comedy show like LD I forgive stuff like that, it's just part of the joke (and don't forget, the Cerritos is very big on OPS, including Cetacean OPS, so room had to be made
) LD is delivering entertainment, and that's of course the most important part.
And honestly I can't wait for the episode, hopefully in Season 2, where we see Cetacean OPS, full of normal dolphins who really do nothing to help the ship and still have a higher status than Mariner, Boimler and their fellow "Lower Decks" personnel
Works for me, never bought into the "no money" stuff.
I never bought into the concept that they would use status/branding in a future which is supposed to be technically void of such concepts (including money).
The different writers probably introduced those concepts (perhaps in a 'relaxed capacity') because they couldn't wrap their heads around the concept of a non-monetary world.
Also, use of some form of 'currency' is not necessarily a standard or exists on a large scale in the Federation. We've mainly seen it on DS9 for the most part and only because it was a Bajoran station run by the Federation (which participated in the local economy mainly for cultural reasons and to allow Bajor to recover - otherwise, if I recall correctly, the Federation - as Sisko even pointed out to even Quark, never charged any rent to him).
Only certain species (like Ferengi) outside the Federation use a medium of exchange such as gold pressed latinum... however, the Federation by itself engages in trade with species which use monetary economies.
The bank of Bolius for example doesn't need to store currency but other commodities.
And also all Federation worlds are basically keeping their 'independence'. I suspect some member worlds in the Federation may use currency as its something they were 'accustomed to', but on a large scale for planetary support, resources, standards of living, etc. (if a planet is a member of the Federation).. currency is not needed (and discouraged) as everyone should have unrestricted access to what they need (I suspect its one of the requirements for entry into the Federation - a world needs to demonstrate that they managed to solve most of their societal issues).
Even when we see bunks, such as in Undiscovered Country, they are always in a room, not in the corridors.
Though for a comedy show like LD I forgive stuff like that, it's just part of the joke (and don't forget, the Cerritos is very big on OPS, including Cetacean OPS, so room had to be made
LD is delivering entertainment, and that's of course the most important part.
And honestly I can't wait for the episode, hopefully in Season 2, where we see Cetacean OPS, full of normal dolphins who really do nothing to help the ship and still have a higher status than Mariner, Boimler and their fellow "Lower Decks" personnel
I'm hardly 'forgiving' on such things when a show is supposed to be canon.
Its one thing to dismiss things in humor, but something else if its supposed to be part of every other canon Trek.
Dolphins (and majority of non-Human animals) are sentient... its possible those dolphins would be living under different conditions (they grew accustomed to sharing 'accommodations' in nature, so its likely they don't mind doing the same in space - and they would know that space can be limited on a starship, so its possible not all dolphins would like an idea of being in a relatively small 'aquarium' in a ship in space.
Although... I guess you could project a controlled forcefield around a dolphin with water inside and allow it to move freely onboard.
Such as a portable grav unit (like a repulsor belt) which only modifies the environment for the dolphin but not everyone else and keeps the water in place like a shield bubble - and most of the other time, they return to the Cetacean OPS.
even in TOS, they were selling Tribbles for credits. So say one wants a private ship, say a runabout, or the Hanson with the raven. Do you just apply for it? or do you buy one??
I suspect that one can live money free on most federation planets, food, shelter, people in starfleet are provided for, though there is still a hierarchy of rank for what a person gets, as in not everyone gets a plush cabin like the captain.
if you want to go into business, own fleet of cargo ships, then definitely get paid!
I suspect that one can live money free on most federation planets, food, shelter, people in starfleet are provided for, though there is still a hierarchy of rank for what a person gets, as in not everyone gets a plush cabin like the captain.
if you want to go into business, own fleet of cargo ships, then definitely get paid!
I fully support it. You can't let Ensigns think they're people.
Well we know Klingons use it and almost every other race other than the Ferengi. Humans are repeatedly called out as the only race that seems to lack for money--and not just the Federation as a whole.
Also, Jake Sisko said in the first episode of Deep Space Nine that the Federation has credits.
Which to me says that its less money than the Federation doesn't use CASH.
Which would have been a pretty bold idea in the Nineties.
Well I'm forgiving in this case. In fact I'm more forgiving towards Lower Decks than I am towards Picard, for example.
Since it's a comedy, the clear love it shows towards all of Star Trek and I actually enjoy it more than any other Star Trek since DS9 ended.
But the majority of non-human animals are not sapient. Dolphins are among the few animals that might actually be sapient. So I guess theoretically they could be useful members of the crew.
But I would find it funnier if they made them just normal dolphins who swim around, jump and eat tuna all day, doing nothing of importance, but are still treated as better and more essential than our LD 'heroes'.
It would be a nice lampooning of the original, ill-conceived idea for the TNG OPS that sprang out of the love the 1980s had for dolphins.
I choose to believe the dolphins are alien dolphins, psychic, and impart great wisdom while using their vast knowledge of the cosmos to guide the ship's navigation.
Oh yes and love fish.
But it says how much society has changed that they only serve short terms because keeping them cooped up in a tiny ship is a terrible struggle for them.
Except we specifically know that it does, because per Who Mourns for Morn, it was the Bank of Bolias that Morn stole the 1000 bricks of latinum during the https://memory-alpha.fandom.com/wiki/Lissepian_Mother's_Day_Heist.
Exactly. I know so much weight is put on canon (
) but ignoring the framing device of comedy is just asking, well, for all the trouble that we are now dealing with.The Cerritos might be a large ship but I'm going to bet that some of that is put in to industrial replicators since it is an engineering ship, designed to support needs for second contact worlds.
Like I said, the Federation being a cashless society would have been very impressive....before now when we've practically moved to it as is.
It's not like Bajor would have a credit card reader for Federation banks.
It's not like Bajor would have a credit card reader for Federation banks.
Tilly has a room to herself because she snores, IIRC
I think Voyager didn't launch with a full complement since it was a short mission. Or perhaps new ships never launch with bunkbeds and they only get added in later years when the now older ships need to add crew to handle "modern" mission profiles. The TOS Enterprise doubled her crew complement. (We didn't see bunkbeds on the Excelsior until after her first refit from NX to NCC)
So we can call those examples outliers if we want.
To be fair, if Starfleet wants to use bunkbeds that are installed in walls, in order to give the occupant 3 usable walls, then any room they are put in would be long and skinny. And thus derisively called a hallway by anyone who would rather have private quarters. Functionally there is no difference with regards to usage or privacy when you change the shape of the room. Note that it dead ends at a window, no one has to walk through it to get anywhere.
I think they built some bunk beds for crew for the Star Trek movies. I don't know if they were onscreen.
They were in STVI-TUC. (And it was implied in STIII:TSFS.)
Why not? I imagine vacation spots would.
Well because it was a occupied territory for 40 years by a state hostile to the Federation.
Later, the Starfleet officers are able to drink at Quarks and eat there--which I assume NEVER would have happened if they couldn't pay. So I assume they get some credit card readers installed.
Jake being unhappy and confused is easily explained that they're not set up for Federation systems of exchange yet.
That's what I thought. Mind you, I've always felt that fans sort of forgot the JOKE that the Enterprise-D was supposed to be ridiculously large and spacious.
"Relics" has Scotty confused as f*** at the hotel suite he's given as his quarters. He's used to living on the equivalent of a WW2 battleship (that many of the TOS writers would be familiar with). It's also why Picard's anger at being called a cruise ship is so ludicrous because it comes off as one. The Galaxy-class is meant, in-universe, to be a massive ship with luxury beyond the wildest dreams of most people as a way of showing how much technology has progressed.
OOU this is due to the fact that it was originally supposed to be a generational exploration ship. In-universe, it's STILL meant to be primarily an ambassadorial ship and thus is luxurious because it's constantly hosting conventions and negotiations.
Which means it IS built like a hotel.
Pretty sure that, by the end of DS9 on TV, they would have agreed upon banking tech protocols and exchange rate rules and such to allow for that.
But again, they were in a room, not a corridor.
But AGAIN, I understand that it's part of the joke and accept it as such. It doesn't need to be rationalized into the rest of Star Trek canon.
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