That's in complete opposition to the overly complex metrics they use. You'd need a 3 volume guide to explain it now.
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That's in complete opposition to the overly complex metrics they use. You'd need a 3 volume guide to explain it now.
I ignore any metric with "weighted" before it and/or '+' after it. "Weighted" means totally subjective. Somebody made up park factors and era factors and a plus sign means I'm not going to understand it. Modern metricians have thrown out all the stats I grew up with - RBI, wins, batting average and so forth, except to add them to, subtract them from or multiply/divide them by some other stat to make up a new stat. OPS is merely adding slugging average to on base average. Whoopie! If I already know his slugging and on-base averages how does it help me to add them together? Real statistics are useful tools but artificial stats are meaningless, in fact they hurt as much as they help. Whenever I argue stuff like this, the analytics folks say, "Well, these new stats are approximations designed to give a better picture of a player." Well, say I, approximation ain't good enough and batting average is a real, honest statistic, as is on base percentage and slugging average. Nothing has to be added or weighted to know that so-and-so got a hit in 28% of his at bats or that he was on base in 38% of his plate appearances. In the end, there is only one statistic that means anything at all and that is the score. Things that lead to scoring runs on offense and to stopping runs on defense are critical. Everything else is BS.
7 postponed games, but Marlins Mets was the most....interesting.
Is it really a strong message when only half the games are called off?
Is it really a strong message when only half the games are called off?
Good, because pitcher wins and RBI are part of the unholy trinity of worthless baseball stats.
It is amazing how baseball survived for 150 years on those worthless stats. Of the 235 guys in the Hall of Fame, how many of them got there by the use of "advanced metrics." None. All of them got there by way of those worthless stats, their physical abilities, their baseball IQ and what metricians consider the most useless/worthless thing of all, the eyeball test.
Pitcher wins simply means that your team's offense--over which the pitcher has no control--scored more runs than the other guys. This is how Jacob deGrom winds up with 10-9 seasons despite being the best pitcher in baseball, because the Mets' offense sucks and he has no control over his run support.
RBI simply means you were lucky enough to come up to bat with a runner or runners on base. A player has zero input into when that happens, therefore it's a garbage statistic.
I agree on Wins, RBI shows a hitter that takes advantage of his opportunities with runners on base.
Because metrics really only took hold of baseball in the 2000’s. Eventually you will see guys inducted based on them.
Wins also mean that the pitcher kept the other team from scoring enough runs to win the game - over that he has plenty of control.
So the batter is just standing there when the run scores? I'd say he has considerable input into what happens.
I would think you could command better arguments than these.
I hope not. Henry Aaron is not famous for his "weighted runs created plus." He is famous for his home runs and because he is the all-time career leader with 2297 RBI and over 6800 total bases - two now obsolete stats,
But not the majority of the control. A pitcher can cough up 5 runs in five innings and pick up a win because his offense uncorked ten in the fourth, and a pitcher can give up two hits and no runs over eight innings and pick up a win. The pitcher wins are counted the same. Are you going to say the performances are of equal merit?
I didn't say the hitter had no input; he still has to get a hit to get an RBI. But the opportunity for an RBI is entirely dependent upon the players before him in the lineup.
These are not esoteric concepts; modern statistical theory has been a discipline since the 17th century.
Things change.
If you were on that management side of the fence, you’d want to wring every bit of information possible out of what a player does on the field before spending tens of millions of dollars on them.
You're right. You actually said a hitter has ZERO input.
I said he has zero input on the opportunity.
Which is completely true. He has no control whatsoever over what the guys ahead of him do.
This is only partly true. A pitcher can just have good timing to get the win. A reliever can pitch to just one or two batters and get a win. I agree with your low assessment of wins where relievers are concerned. Wins, to me, should only be meant for a starting pitcher. It means he pitched effectively for at least five innings and his team won the game. As a metric, it means a pitcher with lots of wins can be relied on as a player who regularly contributes positively to his team's victories.
But he has a great deal of control over where they go next.
Rick Helling went 20 - 7 in 1998; among all 20-game winners since 1984, he had the highest FIP (4.34), ERA (4.41) and 4th worst OPS+-against (.730). But his 20 wins equaled David Cone, Roger Clemens and Tom Glavine that year. Were they on the same level? Noooooope.
Per Jeff Passan, MLB is moving to bubble cities for the postseason. Houston & Arlington for the National League; LA & San Diego for the American League. The World Series will be in Arlington.
Fucking lol at multiple teams living in that Home Depot toolshed-ass stadium.
Fucking lol at multiple teams living in that Home Depot toolshed-ass stadium.
This place?
Absolutely true. Inarguable. You will find such cases for every stat out there. There is not a single stat or metric that is infallible. Reggie Jackson has a higher career WAR than Derek Jeter, Larry Walker and Jim Thome but Reggie is far and away the worst baseball player in the HOF. Reggie had a paltry .262 batting average and a .263 strikeout average. He struck out twice as much as he walked. And he was a defensive liability. But his career WAR is higher than those other fellows. And WAR is considered THE metric by a lot of analytics folk.
Now that's funny! Interesting that AL cities will be the NL hub and vice versa.
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