ST canon is inconsistent and contradictory.

[Morgan Primus]

Writers should not write episodes to explain such differences in appearances of the Klingons or Romulans, allow their characters to flourish and the viewer will either accept it or ignore it.

Yes, it’s like explaining why Number One, Chapel, and Luxwanna Troi all look and sound alike.

Although I’m having fun with those. Same actor, duh.

 

[fireproof78]

To me it’s just a waste of time worrying about.

We know why the Klingons and Romulans look like they do now, regardless.

Oh, it is a huge waste of time to worry about, but that is what Trek has devoted episodes to, making it seem more important than it actually is.

 

[1001001]

You don't seem to understand: STAR TREK IS SERIOUS BUSINESS!!!!

 

[Morgan Primus]

You don't seem to understand: STAR TREK IS SERIOUS BUSINESS!!!!

Lol!

 

[fireproof78]

You don't seem to understand: STAR TREK IS SERIOUS BUSINESS!!!!

Of course...my mistake. I shall submit myself for reeducation.

Please ignore the screams.

 

[1001001]

Of course...my mistake. I shall submit myself for reeducation.

Very well, then.

 

[Nyotarules]

^There are five Star Treks!

 

[RAMA]

What gave you that idea??

At best, canon is a guide, at worst, it's a sledgehammer wielded by really unimaginative anti-fans.

RAMA

I don't know if this has been discussed before, so I'll mention it.

The other franchise is far more unified and integrated. To give one example, Rogue One has a similar feel to Star Wars: A New Hope, in terms of uniforms and fell. Our franchise, however is not, and, to give the most famous example, the Klingons look different, which leads to problems explaining why they look different. And, to give a second example, the Starfleet uniforms are also different.
Not only that, our stories tend to contradict each other, because, when TOS started, they were literally making it up as they went along. And, after that, they didn't bother to maintain a consistency. And let's not even talk about the reboot.

That may be because only one man owned it for decades, and, even now, there is a centralized story group of writers who tell that story. Ours, on the other hand, are owned by Paramount and CBS separately, with no central command to ensure consistency. And that detracts from our enjoyment of the stories.

Any thoughts?

 

[dupersuper]

My head canon works fine, and is the only canon I need.

Yes, it’s like explaining why Number One, Chapel, and Luxwanna Troi all look and sound alike.

Although I’m having fun with those. Same actor, duh.

It doesn't offer an explanation, but the New Frontier novels do have fun with it. Various characters note Robin Lefflers mom looks like Number One, Christine Chappell and Lwaxana Troi, and sounds like the computer.

 

[Morgan Primus]

My head canon works fine, and is the only canon I need.



It doesn't offer an explanation, but the New Frontier novels do have fun with it. Various characters note Robin Lefflers mom looks like Number One, Christine Chappell and Lwaxana Troi, and sounds like the computer.

Head canon ftw! I love how David references the Barrett characters, as if you couldn’t tell. I think it’s his little inside joke.

 

[BK613]

I don't know if this has been discussed before, so I'll mention it.

The other franchise is far more unified and integrated. To give one example, Rogue One has a similar feel to Star Wars: A New Hope, in terms of uniforms and fell. Our franchise, however is not, and, to give the most famous example, the Klingons look different, which leads to problems explaining why they look different. And, to give a second example, the Starfleet uniforms are also different.
Not only that, our stories tend to contradict each other, because, when TOS started, they were literally making it up as they went along. And, after that, they didn't bother to maintain a consistency. And let's not even talk about the reboot.

That may be because only one man owned it for decades, and, even now, there is a centralized story group of writers who tell that story. Ours, on the other hand, are owned by Paramount and CBS separately, with no central command to ensure consistency. And that detracts from our enjoyment of the stories.

Any thoughts?

The Other Franchise had(has?) someone being paid to keep track of it all:

https://www.wired.com/2008/08/ff-starwarscanon/?currentPage=all

 

[Morgan Primus]

The Other Franchise had(has?) someone being paid to keep track of it all:

https://www.wired.com/2008/08/ff-starwarscanon/?currentPage=all

Looks like they care about canon. Not caring best way although I am not above using canon as a weapon to win a dispute (not on this site of course. ahem)

 

[Vaughn Falstaff]

So if season 2 Picard has a Captain Worf of the Enterprise, thousands of the human audience will switch off in droves?

I'm praying for that!!!!

 

[Vaughn Falstaff]

LOL no the TMP 'the Klingons were always like this' treatment (before ENT's not needed explaination)

If there is a female captain in 23rd century Starfleet (Hello Captain Philippa Georgiou) its because there were always female captains in Starfleet

Madge Sinclair's role as the USS Saratoga's captain in Star Trek IV would indicate to me that she was a commander and on the track toward captaincy during the TOS years.

 

[Nyotarules]

Madge Sinclair's role as the USS Saratoga's captain in Star Trek IV would indicate to me that she was a commander and on the track toward captaincy during the TOS years.

Plus its a bit stupid to have a female XO but if something happens to the Captain she has to step aside so her subordinate male officer can take over. The idea behind the 23rd century humanity is social progress not backwardness. Makes as much sense as an all alien Starfleet ship but only human captains allowed. Would humans in the 23rd century legally practice such blatant racism and sexism?

 

[Morgan Primus]

I don’t think I’ll ever use the term ‘canon’ again after these last two threads.

If anyone catches me doing it again after this comment, rip me a new one

I’ve got the old Franz Joseph fold out ‘Star Trek Blueprints’ with that faux woodgrain vinyl case they came in, and as I was looking over deck 16, sick bay, a thought passed through unbidden: are these blueprints canon?

Then I remembered that I didn’t care.

 

[STEPhon IT]

I don’t think I’ll ever use the term ‘canon’ again after these last two threads.

If anyone catches me doing it again after this comment, rip me a new one

I’ve got the old Franz Joseph fold out ‘Star Trek Blueprints’ with that faux woodgrain vinyl case they came in, and as I was looking over deck 16, sick bay, a thought passed through unbidden: are these blueprints canon?

Then I remembered that I didn’t care.

We will never see a fully accurate deck by deck visual description of the Enterprise accepted by a majority of fans, just enjoy them and you decide what's right and what is wrong.

 

[Morgan Primus]

We will never see a fully accurate deck by deck visual description of the Enterprise accepted by a majority of fans, just enjoy them and you decide what's right and what is wrong.

I’ve had them since the aughts, never really looked at them until lately. I “need” them for a new wastetime pursuit of mine, those ships were huge! You could serve the entire 5 yr mission and never cross paths all of them.

 

[STEPhon IT]

I’ve had them since the aughts, never really looked at them until lately. I “need” them for a new wastetime pursuit of mine, those ships were huge! You could serve the entire 5 yr mission and never cross paths all of them.

I had the feeling those Starship Class vessels were meant for just that, to seek out new life and rarely ever return to Earth. Those 12 ships would just... keep going and going, when the crew's tour of duty was over, they would either add another 5 year mission or get re-assigned to another ship or alien government or experiment on other means of exploring the galaxy.

How interesting it could've been if TMP had Starfleet command somewhere else in the galaxy, on another planet, showing how much UFP had progressed? It would've blew audiences minds, the Enterprise had to travel back to Earth to save it from Vgr.

 

[Morgan Primus]

Having the UFP located on earth is kinda like drawing a big red bullseye on earth though.

Those vulcans knew what they were doing