I didn't get that impression at the time. Hmm. Time for a rewatch!He was talking about how he stowed his gear and things like that.
I didn't get that impression at the time. Hmm. Time for a rewatch!He was talking about how he stowed his gear and things like that.
Starfleet spec isn't just about the tech or operation.Considering she was involved in some serious abusive situations, you can understand that I don't see it that way in regards to my own life.
@Nerys Myk also keep in mind Picard later admits that he knows very little about Rios' ship or how it even works (barely able to fly it), making it seem unlikely he knows anything about how much (or more likely, how little) work goes into keeping it Starfleet spec.
A phrase meaning in good and seamanlike order with reference to the condition of a ship. The expression had its origin when Bristol was the major west coast port of Britain at a time when all its shipping was maintained in good order.
Fair enough, although given how efficiently the holograms operate there's still the question of how much that can be attributed to Rios (other than 1 day or week of making sure they were programmed to do things efficiently) and how much after Rios' initial involvement in programming things was just left to the holograms on their own.Starfleet spec isn't just about the tech or operation.
Ship shape and Bristol fashion
In Season 2 they should show the EMH waving a lung regenerator on Raffi and Rios saying, "If this were the 21st century your lungs would be crisp by now," to address all the smoking criticism in Picard.I found it funny how Picard pointed out he can smell it on him - so Starfleet smells like cigars? XD
Bear in mind that La Sirena is not a Starfleet vessel, nor has she ever been. Non-canon evidence from the showrunners says that she wasn't even a Federation vessel, originally, therefore would not have a 'default Starfleet setting'. If the holos are maintaining her to a Starfleet standard, Rios has to have specifically programmed them to do so.You're comparing 21st century military vets to a 24th century guy with futuristic tech to do work for him and who is very much anti-Starfleet and as far as we can see isn't doing any discipline or rigor (as far as ship status that Picard is observing anyway) other than leaving the "hologram cleaning program" to a possible default "Starfleet setting".
While my "default Starfleet setting" joke may have been a bit much, even though La Sirena is a civilian vessel it still has "internet"/subspace access. It seems very possible that a "Starfleet style" basic hologram maintenance routine was no harder to download than a copy of the game "America's Army", and such a thing probably would be popular among pilots who want to appear "cool". Rios' "programming" the holos to do so could literally be one instance of him saying "Computer: Set Basic emgergency hologram installation to downloaded maintenance routine 'Starfleet style', continue until told otherwise." Computer says "Acknowledged" and that's literally all Rios has to do.Bear in mind that La Sirena is not a Starfleet vessel, nor has she ever been. Non-canon evidence from the showrunners says that she wasn't even a Federation vessel, originally, therefore would not have a 'default Starfleet setting'. If the holos are maintaining her to a Starfleet standard, Rios has to have specifically programmed them to do so.
Bear in mind also that we saw very little evidence of the holos running routine daily maintenance in the background; they were mostly activated only if there was a specific task requiring their support (and sometimes not even then).
We were specifically told that he'd activated all the holos deliberately that day, to keep the ship running while he took himself off to his quarters to drink and brood. There was no evidence that he keeps them running all the time otherwise - in fact I could point to a couple of occasions when they should have been activated but weren't.And yes, we do see holos going around maintaining things on their own. Raffi caught them doing exactly that and gathered them all around for interrogation about Rios' dark past remember?
Fair enough, I completely missed that line. I assumed from that episode that holos running around maintaining things was the norm.We were specifically told that he'd activated all the holos deliberately that day, to keep the ship running while he took himself off to his quarters to drink and brood. There was no evidence that he keeps them running all the time otherwise - in fact I could point to a couple of occasions when they should have been activated but weren't.
Rios himself wants to prove otherwise. And even if his specific grievances against Starfleet were all Oh's doing the fact of the matter is that Starfleet has had these issues for so long (evil admirals are a thing in Trek going back decades, and for centuries in-universe) that at some point being a decent competent person isn't something Starfleet has a monopoly on, and if anything being described as Starfleet doesn't mean what it should mean. The question probably should be why Picard was using Starfleet as a compliment when he in a live interview very much made it clear he hasn't been a fan of Starfleet for some time.he remained Starfleet at heart. I'm not sure why anyone would want to try to prove otherwise.
...because Picard is completely out of touch? I mean, that was his entire character arc for the season: that he has been living as a recluse for years and is completely out of touch with what's going on in the outside universe, and his prolonged insularity combined with his stubborn pride (and, yes, hubris) caused him to misread (and thus inadvertently offend) multiple people through the season. Picard has always believed he knew best, and back when he was a starship captain in the throes of the action he was often proved right, leaving him unprepared for how to handle a time in his life when, having fallen both out of touch and out of practice, he finds himself getting things wrong.The question probably should be why Picard was using Starfleet as a compliment when he in a live interview very much made it clear he hasn't been a fan of Starfleet for some time.
I think that's an appropriate way to look at it.I have a strange way of viewing Picard. Basically, it's Captain Jean Luc Picard attempting to deal with a post Deep Space Nine world and all the ambiguities thereof.
I think that's an appropriate way to look at it.
Picard's life didn't crumble, he was fine as Raffi rather succinctly put it in her first appearance. Picard is used to having things go his way, but even when they didn't here nothing was stopping him from retiring on the Ba'ku world with Anij or working on whatever Spock was doing. It's a bit odd that every Trek captain is shown to have completely no life outside of Starfleet, and one of the benefits of this show is showing you don't need to be in Starfleet to get things done (back to the La Sirena, it's hard to believe it's taken over 50 years to get any civilian ship featured in-depth).I almost feel like the series should have began 15 years old and had Picard react to all this and his life crumble.
Picard's life didn't crumble, he was fine as Raffi rather succinctly put it in her first appearance. Picard is used to having things go his way, but even when they didn't here nothing was stopping him from retiring on the Ba'ku world with Anij or working on whatever Spock was doing. It's a bit odd that every Trek captain is shown to have completely no life outside of Starfleet, and one of the benefits of this show is showing you don't need to be in Starfleet to get things done (back to the La Sirena, it's hard to believe it's taken over 50 years to get any civilian ship featured in-depth).
While he seemed to be sad in Generations about their loss, Jean-Luc was on very bad terms with his brother Robert (to put it mildly) and this was only somewhat alleviated in the episode Family.has no family
While he seemed to be sad in Generations about their loss, Jean-Luc was on very bad terms with his brother Robert (to put it mildly) and this was only somewhat alleviated in the episode Family.
Again I see no reason why the Mars attack would prevent Picard from getting together with Beverly or Anij. Or that woman he played the flute with in that one episode.
Picard wouldn't have felt that he deserved it.While he seemed to be sad in Generations about their loss, Jean-Luc was on very bad terms with his brother Robert (to put it mildly) and this was only somewhat alleviated in the episode Family.
Again I see no reason why the Mars attack would prevent Picard from getting together with Beverly or Anij. Or that woman he played the flute with in that one episode.
Picard wouldn't have felt that he deserved it.
Hope it's ok to post it....Bump! There's a new Ready Room installment that leads with a set tour of La Sirena, which includes some good looks at deck plans and a diorama.
Interesting tidbit: the "hatch" that they exited after the ship crashed was actually a window.
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