La Sirena
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Did what? Get more info about Nero? Did I miss a novel?
A 3d layout would make more sense to provide, I saw a 2d blueprint..?
Have a separate thread
One of the dividends was that a disaster of this magnitude would warrant multiple attempts at helping out. So whatever Spock was up to would not have been at odds with what Starfleet was or wasn't up to, and would not detract from native Romulan attempts to survive. So we aren't necessarily missing out on an all-encompassing explanation, but merely looking at detail relevant to a detail.
The Sirena used to be a freighter. Currently, she probably isn't. Unlike with Serenity, the crew and passenger cabins eat into the apparent cargo hold, and might be afterthoughts and modifications, the big center hollow originally being the raison d'etré of the vessel, and the doors used after the crash landing the main means of loading and offloading cargo (although the placement and design of the transporter sure helps, too).
I could see the cabins flanking the engine room as the original crew spaces, and both the holodeck and the opposing cabin(s) as things only installed once the owner ceased to pack cargo crates in that volume. The sickbay is so nicely out of the way down there that it might have always existed, although perhaps originally doubling as mess hall and whatnot, too.
If the ship has mandibles built in without being a pirate ship by design, perhaps those are useful for handling cargo? Just as with Millennium Falcon, another "freighter" decidedly lacking in cargo space, external carrying of containers between bow clamps might be a primary intended mode of operations. And having cargo clamps/cranes of that sort would also be handy for pirates who want to pull out loot from wreckage in minimum time...
Timo Saloniemi
The Sirena used to be a freighter. Currently, she probably isn't. Unlike with Serenity, the crew and passenger cabins eat into the apparent cargo hold, and might be afterthoughts and modifications, the big center hollow originally being the raison d'etré of the vessel, and the doors used after the crash landing the main means of loading and offloading cargo (although the placement and design of the transporter sure helps, too).
I could see the cabins flanking the engine room as the original crew spaces, and both the holodeck and the opposing cabin(s) as things only installed once the owner ceased to pack cargo crates in that volume. The sickbay is so nicely out of the way down there that it might have always existed, although perhaps originally doubling as mess hall and whatnot, too.
If the ship has mandibles built in without being a pirate ship by design, perhaps those are useful for handling cargo? Just as with Millennium Falcon, another "freighter" decidedly lacking in cargo space, external carrying of containers between bow clamps might be a primary intended mode of operations. And having cargo clamps/cranes of that sort would also be handy for pirates who want to pull out loot from wreckage in minimum time...
Timo Saloniemi
Huh? Where did that come from? My post said:
and in the post immediately after mine @DEWLine said
In Picard we have something called quantum storage, whatever that is (I assume it means storing items as a transporter data stream instead of having it be physically present). Maybe La Sirena makes use of that for hauling so the lack of space isn't a problem.
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Ohhh... I understand what happened now. Never mind let's get on with talking about La Sirena's possible quantum storage.
...Such as "where is it"? And "why the big empty central space, then"?
Freighters always were small in Trek, though. It's likely that even back in ENT, everybody but the primitive Earthlings concentrated on hauling extremely high credit-per-kilogram goods, and would haul immaterial things such as booze recipes if at all possible. Bulk transport isn't a thing, save for those unseen "ore transports" mentioned in TOS. (Although we did sorta see one in "Ultimate Computer", and she was small, too.)
Timo Saloniemi
Freighters always were small in Trek, though. It's likely that even back in ENT, everybody but the primitive Earthlings concentrated on hauling extremely high credit-per-kilogram goods, and would haul immaterial things such as booze recipes if at all possible. Bulk transport isn't a thing, save for those unseen "ore transports" mentioned in TOS. (Although we did sorta see one in "Ultimate Computer", and she was small, too.)
Timo Saloniemi
Just because quantum storage is possible doesn't mean it's used all the time. Thus the need for large storage space. We still use postal mail despite having had email for decades.
Remember Scotty was able to store people in the century old Jenolan. The more advanced Sirena should have no problem using that tech on items.
Can't edit my last post, so I'll just add another. In retrospect, Picard's assumption from La Sirena being in Starfleet spec standards or whatever that Rios is "Starfleet to the core" seems meaningless considering that Rios has an army of holograms doing the work for him and he may not know any other standard to tell the holograms to keep the ship to, being in Starfleet most of his adult life.
That's not contradictory; that's the point.
I may cook or clean my apartment the way my mother did, but that doesn't mean I'm similar or agree with her or have anything in common with her in any way that actually matters. Certainly not anything close to warrant a statement of "to the core". I just do it because I'm used to it.
Picard is extrapolating a lot on very little.
Or maybe it demonstrates to others, more removed from the situation, that she's a bigger influence on you than you think.
Cleaning like your mother is a bit different than one Starfleet vet seeing Starfleet training and discipline being practiced by another Starfleet vet. A lot vets in real life do this.
Ugh, I think I'm going to have to take a shower (for what it's worth, my own wife tells me I'm nothing like her).
You're comparing 21st century military vets to a 24th century guy with futuristic tech to do work for him and who is very much anti-Starfleet and as far as we can see isn't doing any discipline or rigor (as far as ship status that Picard is observing anyway) other than leaving the "hologram cleaning program" to a possible default "Starfleet setting".
Where's that Freud hologram when you need him?
See, I denied my mother's influence when she was alive. Now I smile when I catch myself saying or doing something like her.
Considering she was involved in some serious abusive situations, you can understand that I don't see it that way in regards to my own life.
@Nerys Myk also keep in mind Picard later admits that he knows very little about Rios' ship or how it even works (barely able to fly it), making it seem unlikely he knows anything about how much (or more likely, how little) work goes into keeping it Starfleet spec.
He was talking about how he stowed his gear and things like that.
As much as I hate to admit it, the research is out there on how strongly and long lasting parental influences are and continue on throughout our lives. Regardless of whether it is abusive, unhealthy, problematic or whatnot there is still a lot that goes on in that relationship, and modeling of behaviors that we continue forward in life.
I hate the way my dad handled anger when I was a kid, but there are times were I mirror that. It requires some self-awareness, possibly some counseling, but it's still there.
I hate the way my dad handled anger when I was a kid, but there are times were I mirror that. It requires some self-awareness, possibly some counseling, but it's still there.
