It's not there for me either. Maybe they counted wrong?
“8 shows now on the air or in the works”
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I think another element of the '90's Franchise Fatigue was that all the old shows (and, in some cases, earlier seasons of the current show) were being stripped on local stations, meaning there were multiple Star Treks running on multiple channels on any given day,
That's not an issue with the CBSAA streaming shows. Oh sure, if I have an active CBSAA subscription, I can stream any episode I want. If I want. Which, mostly, I don't. I am able to meter my exposure to Star Trek exactly how I want to. I never have to watch re-runs I've seen multiple times to hopefully catch that one episode I've somehow missed.
That's not an issue with the CBSAA streaming shows. Oh sure, if I have an active CBSAA subscription, I can stream any episode I want. If I want. Which, mostly, I don't. I am able to meter my exposure to Star Trek exactly how I want to. I never have to watch re-runs I've seen multiple times to hopefully catch that one episode I've somehow missed.
Also, Voyager was a Next Generation wannabe, whilst Enterprise was a Voyager-redux with TNG mixed in. It almost felt like these were the same shows. To me, Picard is quite different from Discovery and Lower Decks is something else entirely.
I'm not afraid of franchise fatigue at all. We'll have to wait more than a year for new seasons of our favourite shows... There is an appetite.
I'm not afraid of franchise fatigue at all. We'll have to wait more than a year for new seasons of our favourite shows... There is an appetite.
I think it's much different in the premium streaming era, though. They don't need everyone to watch each show for "ratings". They need everyone to find *something* they like enough to subscribe. Me, I am only interested in Picard presently, but have hope for SNW.
I think the big differences here are:
1. Each show is seemingly very different, in style, setting, visual aesthetic, etc.
2. The seasons of Trek in the 90's were double (or more than double) the length of the seasons we are seeing on CBSAA.
3. People can watch these at their own pace and in whatever way they chose, given the streaming platform. You don't need to view them week-to-week as they air.
4. The length of time between seasons, expecially given the COVID delay, is considerable (far more than in the 90's when it was basically 3 months off between seasons)
I don't think the biggest risk is oversaturation (yet). I think it's more a risk of being spread too thin in terms of creative manpower.
Should be interesting to see.....
I feel like the "franchise fatigue" during the Berman era was more because the studio kept trying to make lightening strike twice with "another TNG." They didn't really understand why TNG became a breakout hit however. So they forced Voyager into being a TNG clone, despite the premise not really working for a TNG-style show. And then they did it again with Enterprise until ratings got so terrible there was some freedom to mess with the formula again.
Essentially, there were 16 years of TNG - 7 of TNG, 7 of VOY, and 2 of ENT. No one was really interested in watching warmed-over TNG with a cast they didn't feel any emotional attachment to.
Essentially, there were 16 years of TNG - 7 of TNG, 7 of VOY, and 2 of ENT. No one was really interested in watching warmed-over TNG with a cast they didn't feel any emotional attachment to.
Exactly so. I don't the audience was exhausted beyond "Ugh, give me something new." And that's if fans had stuck around after being put off by TNG in the first place.
Right now, as demonstrated by Lower Decks, they are doing something different from each show. That adds a lot more flexibility to expanding the market share rather than repeating and hoping.
Who was complaining of oversaturation in the 90s?
New interview with Kurtzman:
http://blog.trekcore.com/2020/08/al...-trek-series-writing-updates-pandemic-delays/
Highlights:
- No Short Treks this time around but he is hoping for more in the future.
- Animated shows are not as affected by the pandemic (no surprise). They have finished writing of the second seasons for both Lower Decks and Prodigy. In a previous interview he had said that Prodigy, just like Lower Decks, got a 2 season initial order.
- writing is underway for the 4th season of Discovery (sorry about that haters), second season of Picard (old news), SNW and Section 31. So it seems S31 is still alive!
- SNW will be shooting in 2021. So we probably won't see this one until 2022.
- Discovery season 3 was supposed to come in spring, shortly after Picard, but the pandemic severely slowed down the post production.
Sounds like in 2021 we will have Prodigy season 1, LD season 2 and hopefully Picard season 2. But I think there will be a long gap after Discovery season 3 before the next series shows up on CBS AA (LD S2 followed by Picard S2).
http://blog.trekcore.com/2020/08/al...-trek-series-writing-updates-pandemic-delays/
Highlights:
- No Short Treks this time around but he is hoping for more in the future.
- Animated shows are not as affected by the pandemic (no surprise). They have finished writing of the second seasons for both Lower Decks and Prodigy. In a previous interview he had said that Prodigy, just like Lower Decks, got a 2 season initial order.
- writing is underway for the 4th season of Discovery (sorry about that haters), second season of Picard (old news), SNW and Section 31. So it seems S31 is still alive!
- SNW will be shooting in 2021. So we probably won't see this one until 2022.
- Discovery season 3 was supposed to come in spring, shortly after Picard, but the pandemic severely slowed down the post production.
Sounds like in 2021 we will have Prodigy season 1, LD season 2 and hopefully Picard season 2. But I think there will be a long gap after Discovery season 3 before the next series shows up on CBS AA (LD S2 followed by Picard S2).
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But, but hasn't he been fired and at least half those shows been cancelled? That's what those people on You Tube said
. I jest of course. I do wonder how those sites - Nerdrotic, Doomcock, Midnight's Edge et al are going to spin this.
My favourite Satire post I read on this Board was, after each new Trek episode, the YouTubers would proclaim that Kurtzman has been publicly executed by Paramount for crimes against Star Trek. Afterwards, he'd appear to hype the next upcoming episode.But, but hasn't he been fired and at least half those shows been cancelled? That's what those people on You Tube said
Basically “everyone”. It's where the term “franchise fatigue” was coined. Although, to be precise, as a widespread talking point this mainly came to the fore when Voyager ended and Enterprise premiered. Many folks – including the producers themselves – wished for a longer timespan between those two shows.
But there are also those who are saying “franchise fatigue” was nothing but a myth and that Trek's declining numbers can be solely attributed to a decline in quality.
As with many things, I suspect the truth lies somewhere in-betweeen. Personally, I tuned out in the second season of Enterprise, because it just didn't hold my interest. I came back years later and watched the rest. Looking back it cannot be overstated just how much of a reanimation Star Trek (2009) has been for the franchise. I didn't like all of what came after, but I'm glad it made stuff like Discovery and Lower Decks possible.
Once again, I disagree with every one. As week as I found Voyager and Enterprise compared to TNG and DS9, I love that there was 1 - 2 new Star Trek episodes every broadcast week (plus a movie every few years) from the time I was 10 to the time I was 28.
Given the level of quality control was so low with VOY and early ENT (lots of mediocre episodes, few good ones, most of the plots were TNG retreads) it was really, really disappointing to tune in week after week hoping for something bold...and getting something beige instead.
In a certain way, I feel like mediocre Trek is worse for this than bad Trek. Bad Trek you can at least hate watch, or go all MST3K on, or whatever. But something good enough to not be bad, but not good enough to tell an original story....it's just there.
In a certain way, I feel like mediocre Trek is worse for this than bad Trek. Bad Trek you can at least hate watch, or go all MST3K on, or whatever. But something good enough to not be bad, but not good enough to tell an original story....it's just there.
I stopped watching Enterprise for a spell when I started noticing stories that I'd liked better the first time on TNG, and not as much the second time on Voyager. I came back in Season 4 for the TOS fan service, but with virtually no investment in the show or characters at that point.
I also checked out season 2 of ENT. I wasn't fatigued, I just didn't think it was good. In other words, it was a quality issue, not a quantity. Didn't come back until the movie came out and didn't really come back to fandom until Picard. It's still the only thing current Trek that interests me, but it's gotten me back into the franchise as a whole.
Deep Space Nine's ratings deteriorated at pretty much the same rate as Voyager's.
They did, but they started at a higher level than Voyager, and it had slightly higher ratings than Voyager throughout its entire run (save the first few episodes of Voyager's first season).
It can be argued that - given UPN had less reach than syndication - DS9 had a bit of an unfair advantage, and more people would have been watching VOY in syndication. But in terms of how much money in advertisements it made the studio, DS9 probably came out on top.
Someone, somewhere, is going to isolate the one bit here that remotely tracks with that dumb 4chan post — the fact that no new Short Treks are presently on the horizon — and a 30-minute YouTube video shall be made: “Why Alex Kurtzman Never Tells The Whole Truth.”