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Spoilers Lower Decks General Discussion Thread

There are several ways to gauge awfulness of entertainment, but the most primary is, how hard is it to actually sit through the program and finish it. From this perspective, Threshold is not the worst Voyager episode, something like TWISTED would be- the one wherein the layout of the ship keeps changing ("Wait, this corridor is supposed to lead to the pattern enhancer repair room, but now I've ended up in the brig!")

Threshold would be somewhat akin to Spock's Brain- ridiculous, but far from the hardest to sit through- so by this metric, among the worst Trek eps would be, let's see, THAT WHICH SURVIVES, TWISTED, TERRA NOVA.
I'll take "Twisted" over "Threshold".

I watched "Threshold" in 1996 when it aired. I didn't look at it again until 2008. When I was reminded that "Yes, it really is that bad!" I haven't seen it since. If I re-watch it in 2020, it'll create an "every 12 years" tradition for me. If I want to base a tradition on anything, it's not gonna be "Threshold".

Then there's DS9's "Let He Who Is Without Sin". I watched it once, when it aired. And never again. Coming up on 24 years now. It's my "Worst Star Trek Episode EVAR!!!!" Champion.

My metric is: Will I ever re-watch it, or will I avoid it all costs no matter what?
 
Absolutely. But the Discovery Klingons like the TOS Klingons that preceded and succeeded them, seem to be part of the Klingon legacy that they "don't talk about with outsiders". So, it won't bother me if they never bring it up.
I would also throw out there that in the preview for the series they are at a Klingon bazaar that 1) Looks a lot like the DSC one they visited and 2) Has what looks like a Kelvin disrupter among the other weapons in the "Arsenal" booth so...if people figure that out I can't want to see heads explode - heheh!
 
I'll take "Twisted" over "Threshold".

I watched "Threshold" in 1996 when it aired. I didn't look at it again until 2008. When I was reminded that "Yes, it really is that bad!" I haven't seen it since. If I re-watch it in 2020, it'll create an "every 12 years" tradition for me. If I want to base a tradition on anything, it's not gonna be "Threshold".

Then there's DS9's "Let He Who Is Without Sin". I watched it once, when it aired. And never again. Coming up on 24 years now.

My metric is: Will I ever re-watch it, or will I avoid it all costs no matter what?
My Trek Fu is weak. I don't know that episode. (At least by title)
 
My Trek Fu is weak. I don't know that episode. (At least by title)
Worf & Dax go on Shore Leave with Rom & Leeta to Risa. Vanessa Williams is there.

Worf acts like a total and complete asshole. Even for him. And not in an "I'm a Klingon!" sort of way. In a he just sucks in this episode kind of way.
 
Worf & Dax go on Shore Leave with Rom & Leeta to Risa. Vanessa Williams is there.

Worf acts like a total and complete asshole. Even for him. And not in an "I'm a Klingon!" sort of way. In a he just sucks in this episode kind of way.
Ah yes.
 
And that's worse than the techobabble and Vulcan mumbo jumbo in The Search For Spock? Or Nomad doing a crash course on human physiology to bring Scotty back from the dead? Good thing Scotty's hyperencephalogram was up to date. :lol:

No. It's not worse.

You know what? It's still awful writing, and it still sucks.

And it's still sad to defend trash with whatsboutisms.

So sorry about that.
 
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I'll take "Twisted" over "Threshold".

I watched "Threshold" in 1996 when it aired. I didn't look at it again until 2008. When I was reminded that "Yes, it really is that bad!" I haven't seen it since. If I re-watch it in 2020, it'll create an "every 12 years" tradition for me. If I want to base a tradition on anything, it's not gonna be "Threshold".

Then there's DS9's "Let He Who Is Without Sin". I watched it once, when it aired. And never again. Coming up on 24 years now. It's my "Worst Star Trek Episode EVAR!!!!" Champion.

My metric is: Will I ever re-watch it, or will I avoid it all costs no matter what?
I like Twisted. It's a nice mystery with interesting effects, and in the end, the thing only wanted to communicate and left tons of data. Too bad they never referred to what was left, it could've been VOY's sphere data but without 31 around to mess with it.
Let He is not that bad, I like how it mirrors today's counter-movements and people who bother others and wanna take their harmless fun away cause they think it's bad for society XD

I would also throw out there that in the preview for the series they are at a Klingon bazaar that 1) Looks a lot like the DSC one they visited and 2) Has what looks like a Kelvin disrupter among the other weapons in the "Arsenal" booth so...if people figure that out I can't want to see heads explode - heheh!
The nuHmey (weapons) stand has disruptors from all eras and timelines!
 
I like Twisted. It's a nice mystery with interesting effects, and in the end, the thing only wanted to communicate and left tons of data. Too bad they never referred to what was left, it could've been VOY's sphere data but without 31 around to mess with it.
Let He is not that bad, I like how it mirrors today's counter-movements and people who bother others and wanna take their harmless fun away cause they think it's bad for society XD


The nuHmey (weapons) stand has disruptors from all eras and timelines!
nuHmey means arsenal nuH is weapons ;-)
 
And that's worse than the techobabble and Vulcan mumbo jumbo in The Search For Spock? Or Nomad doing a crash course on human physiology to bring Scotty back from the dead? Good thing Scotty's hyperencephalogram was up to date. :lol:

How about DS9's final chain of episodes being built around a book with text which only appears when blood is spilled on it, and which can blind someone and summon fire demons?

Or TNG, where accidently removing parts of someone's genetic makeup causes them to revert to children (and, remarkably, causes their clothes to shrink accordingly)?

Let alone TAS - it's canon that there's a giant clone of Spock somewhere out there, and that the Enterprise can launch an inflatable decoy of itself.

Trek is riddled with silliness, intentional or otherwise.
 
I like Twisted. It's a nice mystery with interesting effects, and in the end, the thing only wanted to communicate and left tons of data. Too bad they never referred to what was left, it could've been VOY's sphere data but without 31 around to mess with it.
Two of my favorite scenes in "Twisted":

1. When Tuvok is trying to outsmart the new twisted arrangement of the ship, by trying to use twisted logic. Then it outsmarts him even still.

2. Toward the end, when Chakotay tells Tuvok that even though they don't see eye-to-eye or particularly like each other, Chakotay thinks he's a "Hell of an Officer." It showed that they had begrudging respect for each other.

Plus the ship constantly changing its internal geography is weird, but it's a good kind of weird. I can get into it.

If I remember right, this was the episode with Kes' 2nd Birthday at Sandrine's. I got a kick out of those scenes too.

So I can't join the Mock Outrage Brigade on that one.
 
The science of “Rascals” was really wonky, but it was all made up for by the character story about Ro's lost childhood. The child actors for both her and Guinan were pretty decent, I think. Those bits saved an otherwise silly throwaway episode.
 
The science of “Rascals” was really wonky, but it was all made up for by the character story about Ro's lost childhood. The child actors for both her and Guinan were pretty decent, I think. Those bits saved an otherwise silly throwaway episode.

I also liked the story of the O'Briens and where this situation would leave their marriage and how even as a 13-year-old girl Keiko could still kind of push O'Brien around.
 
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