Spoilers Starship Design in Star Trek: Picard

[Sci]

More disturbing for me was the look of the ships themselves.in the way the Federation has devolved a bit, it seems it’s ships also did. They seem more fluid yet less advanced to my eye? Too much stylization. Makes them more general scifi blah.

"Disturbing."

 

[Kpnuts]

As opposed to fleets of countless state of the art most powerful ships ever at the ready when and wherever? No.

Also, this series is nowhere near about “ship shortages,” decades later, even when the issue then was manpower post synth ban. It’s the exact opposite — not tech, character. Ships were an afterthought and the time devoted to showed loud and clear. The delight of the series for me was the writing and characters and themes, so I don’t really detract much from it its dropping the ball on ships atm. But they certainly did, and I’ll judge Them more harshly next season if more care isn’t applied there.

Sadly criticism such as this is belittled on here.

It makes no sense, even if for some bizarre reason the entire Federation fleet was at Utopia Planitia. Which it wasn't but it's just another plot hole to throw onto the pile.

 

[Arpy]

"Disturbing."

Yes. One gets used to production issues limiting visuals, but when the problem is on the creative side, we’ll, that’s harder to deal with. You either lose enthusiasm for the material or get angry.

 

[Arpy]

Makes sense for them to focus on building one style post bombing.

Until the next episode when a whole new style is introduced. Then another, and another, like DSC. Then the chatter will be that Trek’s always been that way; let’s move onto the next subject, stick-in-the-mud. No.

This is a probably multi-trillion citizen Federation with unfathomable production abilities in-universe, and a TV SHOW in reality. Give me a break. It’s time and budget.

Nice to have something to look forward to.

Exactly how I feel right now.

 

[fireproof78]

Until the next episode when a whole new style is introduced. Then another, and another, like DSC. Then the chatter will be that Trek’s always been that way; let’s move onto the next subject, stick-in-the-mud. No.

I fail to see the issue.

 

[Tuskin38]

Until the next episode when a whole new style is introduced. Then another, and another, like DSC. Then the chatter will be that Trek’s always been that way; let’s move onto the next subject, stick-in-the-mud. No.

When did DSC do that?

Sadly criticism such as this is belittled on here.

No one is being belittled

 

[fireproof78]

No one is being belittled

Disagreement apparently equals belittling now.

 

[Arpy]

I fail to see the issue.

I fail to see how.

 

[Sci]

More disturbing for me was the look of the ships themselves.in the way the Federation has devolved a bit, it seems it’s ships also did. They seem more fluid yet less advanced to my eye? Too much stylization. Makes them more general scifi blah.

"Disturbing."

Yes. One gets used to production issues limiting visuals, but when the problem is on the creative side, we’ll, that’s harder to deal with.

"Disturbing" is a word that carries implications of actual harm. I would suggest perhaps that a better term for your subjective emotional reaction of not enjoying the aesthetics of the Inquiry-class design, would be disappointing.

You either lose enthusiasm for the material or get angry.

No work of art is for all people. Art is a form of communication, and therefore inherently there are people for whom any work of art is unenjoyable, as there is, of course, no human being whom all other human beings enjoy communicating with.

The appropriate reaction would be to lose enthusiasm, not to become angry. Artists, after all, have no obligation to please any one of us, only an obligation to tell the kind of story they want to tell.

 

[fireproof78]

I fail to see how.

One would expect newer ships to be produced after suffering so many losses as Starfleet has.

 

[Kpnuts]

I still don't understand why the entire fleet was at Utopia Planitia being destroyed. The series never actually suggested this, but it's the basis of that one guy's opinion as to why the Copy/Paste fleet works. It doesn't because Starfleet lost their fleet of transports, not starships.

One would expect newer ships to be produced after suffering so many losses as Starfleet has.

Except that isn't what you were not taking issue with. You said you failed to see the issue when the next episode introduces a new type, and then another class shortly after. ie... this post...

Until the next episode when a whole new style is introduced. Then another, and another, like DSC. Then the chatter will be that Trek’s always been that way; let’s move onto the next subject, stick-in-the-mud. No.

 

[fireproof78]

It doesn't because Starfleet lost their fleet of transports, not starships.

But those are losses on top of the losses from the Dominion War. It might not be the whole fleet, but it just stacks loss on top of loss. As well as loss of production capabilities.

Except that isn't what you were not taking issue with. You said you failed to see the issue when the next episode introduces a new type, and then another class shortly after. ie... this post...

I still don't...

 

[Kpnuts]

But those are losses on top of the losses from the Dominion War. It might not be the whole fleet, but it just stacks loss on top of loss. As well as loss of production capabilities.

The fact remains that Starfleet still had their fleet, even if the Dominion War cost them half of it, they still had plenty of starships left over. The Utopia Planitia attack destroyed their rescue fleet, not their military fleet.

I still don't...

You say it makes sense that Starfleet only uses one class of ship, but then say it isn't a problem when we see a different one in the next episode, and another in the one after. Which is it?

 

[fireproof78]

You say it makes sense that Starfleet only uses one class of ship, but then say it isn't a problem when we see a different one in the next episode, and another in the one after. Which is it?

Both.

The fact remains that Starfleet still had their fleet, even if the Dominion War cost them half of it, they still had plenty of starships left over. The Utopia Planitia attack destroyed their rescue fleet, not their military fleet.

So, Starfleet should just make do, hold on to older frames, badly damaged from years of service or war and not make new ships designed to respond the needs of the Federation? That makes very little sense.

 

[Kpnuts]

Both.

So, Starfleet should just make do, hold on to older frames, badly damaged from years of service or war and not make new ships designed to respond the needs of the Federation? That makes very little sense.

Oh but getting out of a war and then just dismantling their entire fleet to build a new one does?

By all means make new ships, of course that makes sense, but that doesn't mean their previous one just vanishes. Even if they didn't want to use the other two designs Eaves came up with, they could have thrown in some Prometheus, Defiant, Akira, Sovereigns in there, mixed in with a 50% Inquiry class fleet.

 

[fireproof78]

all means make new ships, of course that makes sense, but that doesn't mean their previous one just vanishes. Even if they didn't want to use the other two designs Eaves came up with, they could have thrown in some Prometheus, Defiant, Akira, Sovereigns in there, mixed in with a 50% Inquiry class fleet.

They are facing down a massive threat, betrayed by a spy, and they are to use older ships? O_o

Starfleet needed to put their best, most power projecting, fleet against a foe who was once a part of Starfleet. Yes, it makes sense to lead with this task force. It doesn't mean all the older ships were dismantled-just that they were inappropriate to the task.

To my mind adding in Akiras and Prometheus and Defiants is not based from the story-just from fan service. And that's not what I want from a story. If I want fan service I'll go to fan art.

 

[Kpnuts]

To my mind adding in Akiras and Prometheus and Defiants is not based from the story-just from fan service. And that's not what I want from a story. If I want fan service I'll go to fan art.

The season was full of fan service, most of it didn't get in the way of the story, just like this wouldn't have. I suspect you would have been fine with it, and there wouldn't have been the backlash the Copy and Paste fleet prompted. Win win.

 

[fireproof78]

The season was full of fan service, most of it didn't get in the way of the story, just like this wouldn't have. I suspect you would have been fine with it, and there wouldn't have been the backlash the Copy and Paste fleet prompted. Win win.

I would not have. Not in this moment..

 

[Sci]

I'm telling you, we should buy a dead horse on sale and get a used whip off of Amazon. It'll be real cheap when we start flogging it.

 

[publiusr]

I will say this—having a standardized ship design can ease repairs. I guess it is like the one size fits all F-35 of that era...that is what JSF was supposed to be anyway.