James Gunn wanted Velma to be gay.....
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How is being a lesbian offensive?
Thank God we had you here to clarify that for us, Guy with Absolutely No Authority or Influence on the Matter.
Your ability to come down from on high with Moses-like set-in-stone commandments about things you have zero control or insider knowledge, and frequently even correct information about never fails to impress yourself.
Why? What's offensive about the character being depicted as lesbian?
Shhh, nobody tell him about Peppermint Patty and Marcie.
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That because she’s a nerd with glasses that she must Be gay.
You still haven't addressed why that's offensive.
Is that a thing?? Never heard of the nerd girls are lesbians trope before.
That's not why she's assumed to be a lesbian and you still haven't said why being a lesbian is bad thing.
She's assumed to be a lesbian because, unlike Daphne, she shows no interest in any of the male characters. She's focused purely on solving the mystery. She also dresses in a frumpy manner that hides her body and has short hair. Things that were stereotypical for the popular culture idea of a lesbian back in the 60s and 70s. While it may have not been intentional on the part of the writers and artists, they did design her to look and behave like this woman who is a lesbian. She was the first openly gay California legislator.
Velma actually being an out lesbian would be a good thing since Velma is a positive role model for anyone. She's smart, trusts science and reason over superstition and the paranormal, and uses her intelligence to solve cases while her friends get into wacky hijinks.
All the human Scooby Gang members were loosely based on Dobie Gillis characters
Fred= Dobie
Daphne= Thalia
Shaggy = Maynard
Velma= Zelda
I remember being a kid and Velma being a lesbian was widely accepted. Along with Fred and Daphne going off alone to make out and Shaggy being high all the time. And that was in the late 80s/early 90s when homophobia was still rampant and acceptable.
It was the same in the late 70s and early 80s.
I'm still waiting to hear how being a lesbian is a bad thing.
I remember when I was in college in '91 in Oklahoma, a young Dana Gould came to do a standup night put on by the student association, and part of his act was a chunk about how Shaggy was a pothead, Velma a lesbian, and when they all went off to solve the mystery Fred and Daphne would sneak into the Mystery Machine to have sex. That has ALWAYS been the subtext of that show.
The clarification was intended to positively influence the conversation because there's been a lot of hubbub elsewhere about Gunn and Tony Cervone's comments making Velma Canonically queer across the board and people trying to refute or dismiss the significance of Gunn's attempt and what Mystery Incorporated actually did to the degree that was acceptable at the time by going "she wasn't queer in 'insert_name_of_story' so she can't possibly have been/be queer in 'insert_name_of_story'".
Velma is a lesbian and Shaggy is a living god, he's just so high he forgot.
Anything his stoned mind imagines becomes reality, this is possibly how Scooby Doo can talk. He was high and wanted to talk to his dog, which granted him sentience.
Anything his stoned mind imagines becomes reality, this is possibly how Scooby Doo can talk. He was high and wanted to talk to his dog, which granted him sentience.
Shaggy has the power to make three-foot-tall sandwiches accordion down to normal size. This is a power the Pentagon and the world need to understand.
No one said that a nerd with glasses must be gay. You're trying to set up a straw man, so you can knock down an absurd argument that no one has actually made.
Fictional stories aren't necessarily true. You've apparently confused fiction with fact. Fictional stories don't go, "Once upon a time, all of this must have happened." They go, "Once upon a time, what if this is what happened?"
The proposition is, "What if Velma is gay?" That's at least as valid a take on the character as any other.
By the way, there actually are nerds with glasses who are gay, just as there are nerds with glasses who aren't.
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