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Flat Earth

What the hell is wrong with people?
They're human beings? It's hardly the most provably false belief a man has ever had.

Man has since the dawn of time believed in nonsense that no rational mind should, simply because he happens to be emotionally invested in it. It is really no worse than most mainstream religions, fan death, climate change denial, or the belief that nuclear fission as a power source is more dangerous than coal.
 
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I don't think that. I think that nonsense is screamed louder, but average individuals just keep moving on. Nonsense gets repeated quicker-as the saying goes "A lie is around the world while the truth is still lacing up its shoes."

Another "silent majority" situation?
 
They're human beings? It's hardly the most probably false belief a man has ever had.

Man has since the dawn of time believed in nonsense that no rational mind should, simply because he happens to be emotionally invested in it. It is really no worse than most mainstream religions, fan death, climate change denial, or the belief that nuclear fission as a power source is more dangerous than coal.

It may be less destructive than those things but it is dumber. I can’t prove any religion is wrong. It is difficult to prove and understand climate change as a result of human behavior. It is difficult to understand nuclear power is less dangerous given historical events.

It is *easy* to prove the world is round. And it would require a quarter of the world’s population to be in on the conspiracy for it not to be.
 
It may be less destructive than those things but it is dumber. I can’t prove any religion is wrong.
Certainly one can — many of the historical accounts described in holy books are as improbable as that the holocaust did not occur; horoscopes are probably even more ridiculous than the idea of a flat earth. That the pyramids were built from paid labor rather than slaves is an historical fact; genetic analysis as well as geographical analysis makes the idea of a once-existing flood that destroyed all but two of each species an idea as implausible as a flat Earth.

It is difficult to prove and understand climate change as a result of human behavior. It is difficult to understand nuclear power is less dangerous given historical events.
It is very easy to understand: one need only look up the numbers of human deaths against energy generated to see that even with the most conservative numbers, far more men die from coal, or windmills, than nuclear fission per energy united generated.

They deny it not out of how hard it is to understand; a man's capacity for reason is simply nonexistent whenever he be emotionally invested in a certain topic — Flat Earth is but a drop in an endless bucket of such beliefs.

It is *easy* to prove the world is round. And it would require a quarter of the world’s population to be in on the conspiracy for it not to be.
This is already a flaw in your reasoning: it is easy to prove the Earth is not flat, but proving the earth to be approximately sphærical is actually more challenging than you might think — your reasoning seems to depend upon a false argument of elimination that if it not be flat, it must be sphærical.

For instance, many of the arguments that prove the Earth to be “round” would just as easily apply of the earth were a cilinder rather than a ball, or only prove a local, rather than universal curvature.
 
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Certainly one can — many of the historical accounts described in holy books are as improbable as that the holocaust did not occur; horoscopes are probably even more ridiculous than the idea of a flat earth. That the pyramids were built from paid labor rather than slaves is an historical fact; genetic analysis as well as geographical analysis makes the idea of a once-existing flood that destroyed all but two of each species an idea as implausible as a flat Earth.

It is very easy to understand: one need only look up the numbers of human deaths against energy generated to see that even with the most conservative numbers, far more men die from coal, or windmills, than nuclear fission per energy united generated.

They deny it not out of how hard it is to understand; a man's capacity for reason is simply nonexistent whenever he be emotionally invested in a certain topic — Flat Earth is but a drop in an endless bucket of such beliefs.

This is already a flaw in your reasoning: it is easy to prove the Earth is not flat, but proving the earth to be approximately sphærical is actually more challenging than you might think — your reasoning seems to depend upon a false argument of elimination that if it not be flat, it must be sphærical.

For instance, many of the arguments that prove the Earth to be “round” would just as easily apply of the earth were a cilinder rather than a ball, or only prove a local, rather than universal curvature.

Disproving the literal truth of the Bible is not the same as disproving God.

You’re wrong that the ways of disproving the Earth is round could also make it a cylinder. Besides the fact that photographs of the Earth exist, you can chart the spherish-ness of it just by flying around in a plane. Or even walking to different points in the globe and looking at the stars.
 
At least it's not egg shaped

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Disproving the literal truth of the Bible is not the same as disproving God.

You’re wrong that the ways of disproving the Earth is round could also make it a cylinder. Besides the fact that photographs of the Earth exist, you can chart the spherish-ness of it just by flying around in a plane. Or even walking to different points in the globe and looking at the stars.

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Disproving the literal truth of the Bible is not the same as disproving God.
I never spoke of “God”; I spoke of “most mainstream religions”.

If one would remove everything from said mainstream religions except a belief in “God”, and furthermore not even define the attributes of this so-called “God” as per written in their respective holy scripture, then every monotheistic religion on the planet is now identical — such is clearly not the case.

Besides the fact that photographs of the Earth exist
They could be of anything. Photographs of a cup also exist. Are you telling me that by merely saying that said cup is the Earth, that I have proven the Earth to have the shape of a cup?

No, you must of course first prove that that photograph indeed is taken of the very surface whereupon we walk and live, and you will find that task to not be easy.

you can chart the spherish-ness of it just by flying around in a plane.
And if one fly in one direction only, it can also be a cylinder, or indeed a torus — one has to circumvent the earth in quite a few directions to verify that it is actually a sphære rather than any other arbitrary shape.

Or even walking to different points in the globe and looking at the stars.
That proves nothing, for the the same stars are not visible from one half as from the other, thus, one can only prove via that method that it is half a sphære, at a local level only. On top of that, the very same celestial reflexion can be created by the sky itself being curved at the right angle.
 
I never spoke of “God”; I spoke of “most mainstream religions”.

If one would remove everything from said mainstream religions except a belief in “God”, and furthermore not even define the attributes of this so-called “God” as per written in their respective holy scripture, then every monotheistic religion on the planet is now identical — such is clearly not the case.

They could be of anything. Photographs of a cup also exist. Are you telling me that by merely saying that said cup is the Earth, that I have proven the Earth to have the shape of a cup?

No, you must of course first prove that that photograph indeed is taken of the very surface whereupon we walk and live, and you will find that task to not be easy.

And if one fly in one direction only, it can also be a cylinder, or indeed a torus — one has to circumvent the earth in quite a few directions to verify that it is actually a sphære rather than any other arbitrary shape.

That proves nothing, for the the same stars are not visible from one half as from the other, thus, one can only prove via that method that it is half a sphære, at a local level only. On top of that, the very same celestial reflexion can be created by the sky itself being curved at the right angle.

All of these are major stretches and blatant sophistry.

Your "All or nothing" approach to religion is just plain silly. Very few people believe in the literal truth of every word of their scriptures. You don't have to believe the Earth is 6000 years old to believe Jesus Christ was the son of God. You're brushing off the majority of modern religious believers who reconcile their belief in God with their knowledge of science by making some of the stories metaphorical to make a very weak point.

It's not just a matter of different stars being visible from different places. It's how they move, how the sun moves, how Mars moves. There's no justifiable explanation of the geometry besides that the Earth is roughly spherical. You'd only have to fly around the world in two directions to prove it's spherical and not cylindrical, and measure how much distance you covered. And you'd have to be really reaching and stretching for technicalities as you just were, and in addition to that believe that millions of people have acted in perfect secrecy to preserve the conspiracy.

Yes, believing the Earth is flat is *way* more ridiculous than not believing in climate change or evolution. The roundness of the Earth is something physical and observable directly in front of you. Evolution and climate change require referring to data most people don't know how to understand and using lots of inductive reasoning to link cause and effect.
 
You're brushing off the majority of modern religious believers who reconcile their belief in God with their knowledge of science by making some of the stories metaphorical to make a very weak point.
As well as the ability to lot of other interpretations that would be a part of the context of those scriptures.
 
All of these are major stretches and blatant sophistry.
Your "All or nothing" approach to religion is just plain silly. Very few people believe in the literal truth of every word of their scriptures.
And even fewer define it as purely believing in a single monotheistic entity without defining what that entity is, and nothing more — which is what necessitates your thesis by your implication that any “mainstream religion” can only be disproven by disproving the existence of “God”.

Meanwhile, you do hold Flat Earth to such standards and hold the belief to a rigorous interpretation of perfect mathematical flatness it seems in your arguments to disprove it.

It's not just a matter of different stars being visible from different places. It's how they move, how the sun moves, how Mars moves.
All of these things can be reconciled with a flat surface around which the sun and mars orbit to the extent that it can be seen with the naked eye.

There's no justifiable explanation of the geometry besides that the Earth is roughly spherical. You'd only have to fly around the world in two directions to prove it's spherical and not cylindrical
Certainly not — it could be a cube, but with two circular trenches cut into it that lie across the two directions one flew.

and measure how much distance you covered. And you'd have to be really reaching and stretching for technicalities as you just were, and in addition to that believe that millions of people have acted in perfect secrecy to preserve the conspiracy.
Conspiracy?

Are millions of people keeping a “conspiracy” about most major religions? Or do they just foolishly believe what they are raised with?

It is not at all implausible that a million men believe a falsehood; it has happened and shall continue to happen — a man believes what he is raised to believe. It has little to do with malice.

Yes, believing the Earth is flat is *way* more ridiculous than not believing in climate change or evolution. The roundness of the Earth is something physical and observable directly in front of you.
Is that why the common man believed the earth to be flat well into the 1600s with only the learned knowing otherwise? until popular education became mandatory? Because he could observe it so easily?

Of course not. Deducing that the earth is roughly sphærical is something that takes rather advanced understanding and observation — it is not at all as obvious as you claim it is.

Evolution and climate change require referring to data most people don't know how to understand and using lots of inductive reasoning to link cause and effect.
That evolution happens is a simple consequence of lineal transference of traits — it happens under two obviously true assumptions A) children take after their parents. B) some traits will cause one to have more children.

That God did not talk to Muḥammad viā Gabriel is also quite easy to deduce — let us place ourselves in the shoes of God shall we: “I am an omnipotent being who is trying to spread message of my existence and will onto the little men below whom I created. I've tried so before but they corrupted my message... ah I know that I shall do! I shall send down one of my messengers onto that little man in a cave; he shall write down my message, and then spread it to others and hopefully convince them — what splendorous idea from little old me who is omnipotent and can make said message appear in the sky for all to see.

It's an extremely implausible story of course that God, who so wishes that man understand and receive His message, would operate so, instead of making the very clouds move such that they relay His Divine Message, the moving of said clouds being instant proof of the power of God.

This story is infinitely more implausible than that the Earth one sees before one's very eyes be flat, which certainly looks rather flat to the naked eye on first inspection because the curvature is so large it cannot easily be observed by the naked eye.

No, there is nothing more reasonable about it — what you rather mean to say is that a million fools create a truth and the simple reason that one is accepted and the other is not, is because one is common enough and some men dare not step on the toes of the many, but only of the few.
 
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