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Starship design history in light of Discovery

Seeing a connection there isn't necessarily a terminal case of smalluniversitis. After all, the situation on Kaminar may be compared to that of "Paradise Syndrome", with genocidal-existential threats and all. The Preservers do deserve another appearance, even if the folks in the 2250s weren't capable of seeing this yet (or recognizing the Ba'ul writing for Preserver notation).

Tying the Tholians into this might be a bit too much, even though we do have these networks of beams being utilized as weapons...

Timo Saloniemi
 
cooleddie74 said:
And that image in her mind was clearly intended to be a Preserver obelisk. It was almost exactly as the one in TOS appeared. The Ba'ul devices may well be connected to the Preservers though it's never been officially established and probably can't be revealed to preserve TOS continuity.
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See, if it was any Star Trek show before Discovery, you'd assume they used the same piece of scenery just repainted and turned upside-down. The obelisk we saw in Saru's village might have been a physical thing as far as I can tell.
 
cooleddie74 said:
And that image in her mind was clearly intended to be a Preserver obelisk. It was almost exactly as the one in TOS appeared. The Ba'ul devices may well be connected to the Preservers though it's never been officially established and probably can't be revealed to preserve TOS continuity.
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I've wondered this previously, but it seems like Harbert and Berg were going for a Preserver connection for the Red Angel before they got fired and whatever they conceived had to be canned.
 
Dukhat said:
The STO 'Design the Enterprise-F" contest was one of the most poorly-run contests I've ever seen. On the surface, the idea was simple: fans could submit a ship design to the contest, and people could vote on which ship they liked the best. You could submit anything: a drawing, a CGI model, a photo of a physical model, etc. The only stipulation was that it had to be an original design that the person submitting it created.

But past that, it was a huge clusterfuck. The contest went on too long, people started submitting designs that weren't theirs, submitting silly things like Locutus's head with nacelles attached, the voting got skewed because you could vote an infinite number of times, etc. And then, once all that got fixed and the results came in, it turned out that it was the people at STO that made the winning choice, NOT the popular vote. So the fan vote meant absolutely nothing. And to add insult to injury, Adam Ihle won the contest for the drawing he submitted when others had made entire CGI meshes and different orthos, and they all got pissed at poor Adam for his simple ink drawing when Ihle actually didn't do anything wrong. It turned out that what STO really wanted was just a 'base' idea of a ship, that they would then refine to what they wanted, and they were not at all clear about that. So the people who spent a lot of time and effort on their designs were angry. And, quite frankly, some of the designs that were the top votes for the popular vote were far better than what STO eventually made, although lots of the submitted designs were really just modifications of the Enterprise-E and not at all original.

So the whole thing was just ugly. There were a lot of pissed off people, the winner got lots of undeserved crap (causing him to actually leave the TrekBBS because of 'winner's guilt') and STO ended up with a stupid-looking ship for the Enterprise-F. The only consolation was that the game was non-canon and the chances of that ship ever showing up on screen was practically nil.
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The bogus 1701- F looked too much like the ugly E; I would've expected a radical different design than that. I would love to see the designs voters actually appreciated, my hope it was something fun and an evolution of starship design and function.
 
Tuskin38 said:
I mean, that's what we got.
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We got a smoother-lined version of the Enterprise-E mixed with an Intrepid class. If that’s your definition of ‘evolution of starship design and function,’ then yes, that’s what we got. I myself would have preferred something a little more original than that.
 
fireproof78 said:
I mean it looked evolved...:shrug:
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It looked like two ships we already knew about merged into one. That's not 'evolved.' Evolved would be a ship that would have a new type of propulsion system that doesn't require warp nacelles, or a hull that doesn't resemble a saucer like every other Starfleet ship we've ever seen.
 
Dukhat said:
It looked like two ships we already knew about merged into one. That's not 'evolved.' Evolved would be a ship that would have a new type of propulsion system that doesn't require warp nacelles, or a hull that doesn't resemble a saucer like every other Starfleet ship we've ever seen.
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I suppose...

Personally I am tired of new hull shapes in light of the events. And given the pushback against the DSC ship designs I doubt that any new design would be received well.
 
fireproof78 said:
I suppose...

Personally I am tired of new hull shapes in light of the events. And given the pushback against the DSC ship designs I doubt that any new design would be received well.
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I'm not saying it would be a good idea either. I'm just comparing my definition of 'evolved' to yours in the case of Starfleet ship designs.
 
Eh. Evolution in design is fine and usually good but not a prerequisite for me. The fact that Excelsior-class starships of the year 2375 were almost indistinguishable from those of 2285 doesn't make me lose sleep nor does the fact that Starfleet has a tendency to use one design for decades with few if any external modifications.
 
Dukhat said:
It looked like two ships we already knew about merged into one. That's not 'evolved.' Evolved would be a ship that would have a new type of propulsion system that doesn't require warp nacelles, or a hull that doesn't resemble a saucer like every other Starfleet ship we've ever seen.
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Like the Wells class?
 
I was personally told by an artist on the show that 3 MOVIES worth of material was designed for Season 1 Discovery. Everything they'd need was planned for and designed well ahead of time. Not only did we get some really cool ships designs, the fact they were made into detailed models using the CGI assets for the Eaglemoss line made them tangible and easy to study for collectors! It's been a great time for starship fans.
 
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