What are your controversial Star Trek opinions?
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This should be quite controversial: I think Tuvok was a better Vulcan character than Spock.
Much of Spock's characterisation was quite crude ("oh, this is one of your human emotions"), Tuvok's was more subtle. Spock acted as if he didn't understand emotions, Tuvok as if he was surpressing them largely, but was still able to understand. Spock was largely a machine, Tuvok a stoic.
Much of Spock's characterisation was quite crude ("oh, this is one of your human emotions"), Tuvok's was more subtle. Spock acted as if he didn't understand emotions, Tuvok as if he was surpressing them largely, but was still able to understand. Spock was largely a machine, Tuvok a stoic.
Of all the grandiose careers people imagine for all the TOS characters, Chekov is the one single one I can never really buy into. The dude was in no way impressive in TOS and even worse in the movies. Not that the character was bad or that I disliked watching him in any way - he was fun and enjoyable - but as an officer he should never have made command level at all based on everything we saw. It should have been Sulu or Uhura getting a first officer position.
Curtis was definitely more Spock-Like than the multiple facets I found and appreciated from Kirstie Alley's version of Saavilk. This was what Nimoy wanted, a neutered character who couldn't possibly be a part of the ensemble any longer. When IV came around, just throw Curtis' Saavik by the curb and drive off and never look back! As the dust and exhaust fumes blow in her face.
You are more than welcome to hold this opinion. I just want to know who, according to your statement, felt obliged to include them.This is a controversial opinion, then.
I'm just of the opinion Trek never got better or more memorable in the post-TOS timeframe. So it interests me in what the other road would've led to.
I rewatched "Galaxy's Child" just a few years ago and yeah, it does come off quite differently nowadays, doesn't it.
I like Leah Brahms and liked what we got in "All Good Things..." and just went with it. And Susan Gibney has spoken fondly of her time on Trek and the relationship Brahms had with Geordi (as odd as that may sound to some), so if they wanted her back, I'd be all for it. Should they actually follow up on their alternate timeline relationship? They could ignore it if they've come to similar conclusions or have a different creative direction they want to pursue. Or they could go with the relationship like they did the Irumodic syndrome and let the fans talk it out. That alone could make it "adult" since relationships start for all sorts of reasons.
Scotty, Sulu, Uhura, and Chekov were secondary characters in TOS and they were secondary characters in the TOS Movies. So their use in the movies feels just about right to me, because it wasn't any different from in the series.
My only objection is Uhura being left behind in TSFS and only having her catch up with them later. It felt as if they only left her behind during the second half of the movie to turn stealing the Enterprise and running away with it into a Guy Thing, with Uhura's "all my hopes" basically being "good luck!"
With TNG, they tried to make all the characters main characters, even though Picard was the star. So when TNG went to movies, anyone who wasn't Picard and Data got shafted compared to the depth they were given on TV.
My only objection is Uhura being left behind in TSFS and only having her catch up with them later. It felt as if they only left her behind during the second half of the movie to turn stealing the Enterprise and running away with it into a Guy Thing, with Uhura's "all my hopes" basically being "good luck!"
With TNG, they tried to make all the characters main characters, even though Picard was the star. So when TNG went to movies, anyone who wasn't Picard and Data got shafted compared to the depth they were given on TV.
This reminds me:
Susan Gibney was wooden. She should never have been considered for Janeway, Seven of Nine, the Borg Queen, or for that matter, Captain Benteen.
^ I saw her in a 2015 interview and thought... Yeah, she could have played Janeway. She's got the sternness. I don't think I would have wanted to see a repeat actress as Janeway though.
What else has she been in? The wooden acting could come down to how she was directed.
I don't know, I think the point you are trying to score is parenthetical and pedantic.
As far as I know, Star Trek fandom in 1979 wanted and expected as many appearances as possible from the television cast, and it would have been seen as a major bummer and even perhaps a bit of a scandal if they had not included Doohan and the other minor recurring actors from the television series. I don’t know whether the producers felt compelled by this expectation to include them (against their will), or whether they included them with all due cheerfulness. I can’t speak to that, and if if seems like I was trying to assert that, then I withdraw my statement in favor of this clarification. What I’m saying is that in hindsight I think the movies would have been cooler and more artistic if they hadn’t included these characters in TMP, and only signed them on for future movies on a case-by-case basis, for when they had particularly useful roles.
True, but they weren’t all in every episode, either.
Anyway… I don’t actually feel super strongly on this point, just something I think would have been cool.
I've noticed her in several prodecural crime dramas, and each time I've been less than impressed. Her appearances in TNG were appropriate: she was playing a hologram and a standoff-ish woman. In her two DS9 episodes, it felt like she was intruding in the conversations, rather than participating.
I don’t feel you are engaging me in good faith. I ask you to please drop it.
I won't continue, but the question was fair. You made a claim without context or evidence. You provided a tangent about the qualities of fans that did not necessarily relate. I can only recall one time that there was pressure on producers to include more of the TOS cast in a TOS project, and it did not come from fans: it was Leonard Nimoy who threatened to withdraw from TAS should Takei and Nichols not be employed as well.
Nimoy definitely appeared to be the person would insist upon including the whole cast when possible.
No, I agree with you. I don't think it would've played as Enterprise's version of the Dominion War because you're dealing with an entirely different set of writers. And that isn't to say the DW is the gold standard, but, what made that story so successful was Ira Behr and team not giving a flying fuck about what Berman said and just doing their own thing. To me, the DW always came off as a big middle finger to Berman; and with Berman at the helm of the hypothetical Romulan War story, I have no doubt he would've insisted that they play it safe. The Xindi arc was fine, but, they were just not very interesting villains. Plus you run into the issue of wondering why we never heard of the Xindi on the other shows. Even though, yes, we all know the real-world reasoning is just the order or production, but, I always believed that given the stakes, SURELY, we would've heard of them somewhere.
To me, it would've made more sense for it to be the Romulans just for the sake of canon. It just would've fit in nicer and still truly felt like a prequel.
I completely agree with this point. I actually think the third season of the show was the strongest because I felt the series finally found its groove narrative-ly and the cast was clearly comfortable in their roles. You could clearly see the show was doing everything it could to break the mold and stand out against TNG (and it was working, IMO). I really did like season 4 and 5 with the changeling paranoia, but, I felt the show really went off the rails when the war began. But on the flip side, I really wished the show's series finale had tied more into the pilot. I never felt the premise was entirely fulfilled and wanted to see Bajor finally join the Federation. But, that's just me.
Nimoy runs acting rings around Russ, and I like Tuvok. And we have to be fair here, Nimoy and the writers were literally making Spock and Vulcans up as they went along. Russ and the Voyager writers had thirty-five years of material to research when doing the character.
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