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Spoilers The Flash - Season 6

To be honest my only problem with this whole situation is watching people who complained about James Gunn (very temporarily) losing his job over some old tweets cheering this decision on.

If their career should be ended for one of them it should be ended for both of them.
 
StCoop said:
To be honest my only problem with this whole situation is watching people who complained about James Gunn (very temporarily) losing his job over some old tweets cheering this decision on.

If their career should be ended for one of them it should be ended for both of them.
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To be fair the CW is not Disney so it's different people deciding who gets or doesn't get fired. While Disney tends to keep things family friendly in order to not hurt it's brand it also has a much older audience who isn't going to be woke as they say. They got to worry about mom and dad who are afraid of little Suzy hearing a cuss word and old school stuff like that. Still they have fans going back for generations so they are lets face it more mature when it comes to dealing with complicated issues, even if prudish in what they want their kids exposed to.

Being woke with CW though is part of it's core identity. They live off the audience members who live on Twitter and social media. It's part of their brand so they will fire anyone that comes close to tarnishing their brand. It's not fair to the actor but it makes sense from the company's POV. It's wrong though from the POV of American freedom because this type of behavior goes against the principles we are suppose to believe in when it comes to free speech and even privacy but things have changed and those things aren't valued as much anymore and mostly to older people who actually remember life before the internet.

Jason
 
Jayson1 said:
It's wrong though from the POV of American freedom because this type of behavior goes against the principles we are suppose to believe in when it comes to free speech and even privacy but things have changed and those things aren't valued as much anymore and mostly to older people who actually remember life before the internet.
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Freedom of speech is not the same as freedom from the consequences of your speech.
 
I know. Consequences though have to be measured and fair. A proportional response as they say in the military. Old edgy tweets that were even deleted doesn't equal out to be being fired and having your career taking away from you when it comes to judging it on a justice scale. He didn't do it at work. He didn't say them to co-workers or really anyone in recent years since they are in the past. If someone were to be blamed it would be the person who dug them up causing sorrow just for attention. Sometimes the past needs to stay in the past including our mistakes.

Jason
 
What is happening here is that people are not going to want to say anything out of fear it will haunt them.

Look at what HBO Max did with Gone With The Wind. Are they kidding? And when they bring it back, it will have a disclaimer?

Presentism is a real problem as well.

What things like this will accomplish is that humor will become sterile. Why would anyone try to be a comic if they are going to be blackballed for one bad joke or censored?

It's no longer about anything other than control, and it's dangerous.

Sawyer's tweets were in bad taste. But that shouldn't have caused his firing. Yes, they have the right to do just that, but we are talking between 6-9 years ago. Having the right to do something doesn't mean DOING it is right. The moral of this story is you need to go back and delete your tweets or not participate on social media. The censorship and lack of perspective is more dangerous than the content of the tweets, which no one takes seriously.
 
Kirk Prime said:
The moral of this story is you need to go back and delete your tweets or not participate on social media.
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Or people should wake up and realize social media is not any different from other spaces where people gather. If you wouldn’t say it aloud in a bar, restaurant, public park, work cafeteria, etc., then don’t post it. If you would say it in such places, then be prepared to face the same consequences as you would in those places. In either space (online or physical) you might get away with speaking in poor taste—but the risk is never zero.
 
Ovation said:
Or people should wake up and realize social media is not any different from other spaces where people gather. If you wouldn’t say it aloud in a bar, restaurant, public park, work cafeteria, etc., then don’t post it. If you would say it in such places, then be prepared to face the same consequences as you would in those places. In either space (online or physical) you might get away with speaking in poor taste—but the risk is never zero.
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I don't think there are many examples of a joke in a bar coming back to haunt someone 8 years later. This was just absolutely wrong, and be careful of the standards you wish for. All it does is stifle the free flow of information and hurt creativity.

What's worse is the absolute selective enforcement. Again, I point to James Gunn or Ralph Northam, with the latter being FAR more racist and FAR worse than anything Sawyer did.
 
Jayson1 said:
Next up to be fired by cancel culture it seems is Danielle Panabaker. Seems fans are trying to get her fired because she was undermining Candice Patton by supporting fan shipping between her character and Barry Allen I think it is. It is kind of confusing in part due to just how stupid it is but that means it will likely happen. Some story in something called BoundingIntoComics. Not sure if that is left or right clickbait but I actually heard their was some conflict on the set a year or so with her so I am guessing she will be gone as well.


Jason
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If Panabaker is forced to quit the show, I probably will too. That would be an absolutely pathetic reason to fire her, and it basically allows fans to dictate how writers should tell the story.
 
Saw this posted on reddit, at least two of his non-cast friends have spoken about it.
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Ovation said:
Or people should wake up and realize social media is not any different from other spaces where people gather. If you wouldn’t say it aloud in a bar, restaurant, public park, work cafeteria, etc., then don’t post it. If you would say it in such places, then be prepared to face the same consequences as you would in those places. In either space (online or physical) you might get away with speaking in poor taste—but the risk is never zero.
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People do talk about things though in public with some sense of privacy. If you and your friends are talking politics at McDonalds while having lunch you are expected to be able to say what you want without people in the next booth listening in on you and your friends and not liking it and going to the manager and tell him/her you want those people in that booth over their to be kicked out. The internet is suppose to be for everyone and even in public your still allowed to not constantly be censored. If the answer is that you can only have your free speech at home in private when nobody is looking then how is that not a Big Brother style mentality. People shouldn't have to always be worrying about being judged by people who are just looking for excuses to destroy lives.

Jason
 
Who saves all of these deleted tweets, waiting for the "right" moment to release them? Or at the very least, scrolls back to tweets made decades ago hoping to find these things?
 
Jayson1 said:
People do talk about things though in public with some sense of privacy. If you and your friends are talking politics at McDonalds while having lunch you are expected to be able to say what you want without people in the next booth listening in on you and your friends and not liking it and going to the manager and tell him/her you want those people in that booth over their to be kicked out.
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No.

If I tell appallingly racist jokes to my friends at a McDonalds, and someone at the next table overhears me, and then complain to the manager, who then kicks me out, that is entirely correct. McDonalds is under ZERO obligation to let me engage in racist speech on their premises. And I have ZERO rights to demand otherwise.

The ONLY right I have is to not be arrested or fined by the government for my racist speech.

Your apparent misunderstanding of what free speech means does not change its meaning.
 
That kind of thing does happen from time to time, and it's entirely within the rights of the people running the store or restaurant or whatever to do it. Even with free speech there are still limits on what you can say, and legal ways you can be punished. That's what defamation lawsuits are all about.
 
Ovation said:
No.

If I tell appallingly racist jokes to my friends at a McDonalds, and someone at the next table overhears me, and then complain to the manager, who then kicks me out, that is entirely correct. McDonalds is under ZERO obligation to let me engage in racist speech on their premises. And I have ZERO rights to demand otherwise.

The ONLY right I have is to not be arrested or fined by the government for my racist speech.

Your apparent misunderstanding of what free speech means does not change its meaning.
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I understand the law but I am talking about principle which is just as important as law if you have a free society. The law shouldn't be used as a excuse to play judge and juror over other people. Also using your example in this case McDonald's don't just ask the people to please leave they instead find your private info and call the place you work at so they will fire you. Some might even dox you so people show up at your home to threaten you. My issue's are less with the tech companies breaking the laws but instead simple doing immoral things that exceed the amount of power they should have over people. Made even worst by the fact that slippery slope of offensive stuff keeps getting more suspect. It's not just some person talking about Nazi idea's on how to hurt people. It gets downgraded to old edgelord jokes made years ago and were deleted.


Jason
 
I'd say a better analogy would be if someone video taped the incident and it got out, and the company decided to fire them. That exact thing has happened numerous times in the last few years.
 
Which brings up the fact that maybe people shouldn't be recording people without their approval. We have all seen tv shows were people have their faces blurred because they clearly didn't sign a consent forum. If you were recording someone through their window you would get busted for being a peeping tom. Yet people can spy and film anyone with impunity and then maybe even make money off them by posting it online were you have subscribers. Not only are they invading your privacy they are profiting off your behavior.

Jason
 
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