Flanderization of Klingons

[JonnyQuest037]

I always thought the Ferengi could have been more villainous on their own if they had been something more like Mr Morden from Babylon 5 and how he would pursue deals, as opposed to how they are driven by accumulating profit. The more I think about the idea of these Ferengi going around enforcing contracts on entire civilisations behind the scenes feels like good foils to the Federation. I think there's some kind of story there at least.

Yeah, it'd be neat to see some early TNG era stories with the Ferengi played as something closer to their original conception. Like I said, there was definite potential with that version of them.

 

[Therin of Andor]

As Peter David points out several times in his novels, the Klingons and Romulans seemed to swap characterisation between TOS and TNG.

Star Trek III is odd in that Kruge doesnt really match a TOS Klingon or a TNG one, hes rather xenophbic witch really is more of a romulan trait

That is exactly what happened. The proposal entitled "Star Trek III: Return to Genesis" features a Romulan bird of prey under Romulan control. At some point, somebody decided that it would be hard to explain to general audiences why Sarek, Saavik and young Spock were "good guys" in a movie where the "bad guys" looked exactly the same, but acted differently.

So many aspects of TOS/TAS Romulan culture - Romulan Neutral Zone, ritual suicide (Valkris), birds of prey, a code of honour, etc - were essentially transferred to the Klingons, while TNG's Klingons took their lead from Kruge, Maltz and Torg as models, rather than Kor, Koloth and Kang.

 

[JonnyQuest037]

So many aspects of TOS/TAS Romulan culture - Romulan Neutral Zone, ritual suicide (Valkris), birds of prey, a code of honour, etc - were essentially transferred to the Klingons, while TNG's Klingons took their lead from Kruge, Maltz and Torg as models, rather than Kor, Koloth and Kang.

The TNG Romulans became much more treacherous, too, which was a very Klingon thing on TOS. I thought that John Byrne captured the original TOS-style Klingon and Romulan characterizations beautifully in his graphic novel Pawns of War.

 

[Nerys Myk]

I dunno. Sneaking across a border in a cloaked ship, in violation of treaty, to test a new super weapon on an unsuspecting outpost seems pretty treacherous to me. Klingons are much more in your face.

 

[Annorax849]

What's funny about that episode is we see that the entity is influencing our heroes to be vicious and bloodthirsty, but then assume the similar attitude being displayed by Kang and his crew is just normal Klingon behavior.

My point is more that they came off a bit better than previous Klingons

 

[Tenacity]

to test a new super weapon on an unsuspecting outpost

I didn't get the impression that what we were seeing was a weapons test.

 

[Nerys Myk]

I didn't get the impression that what we were seeing was a weapons test.

I believe the plasma weapon was being tested.

 

[Tenacity]

YMMV.

 

[fireproof78]

I believe the plasma weapon was being tested.

That was the impression I had too.

 

[Tenacity]

they was no dialog to indicate such, the romulans could of had the weapon for decades, just not the political will to use it on the earth outposts.

 

[fireproof78]

they was no dialog to indicate such, the romulans could of had the weapon for decades, just not the political will to use it on the earth outposts.

I understand that. Just communicating my impressions from watching the episode and such.

 

[Silvercrest]

They ... couldn't organise a drunken party in a brewery, let alone run an Empire.

Let's find out! The next Abramsverse movie needs to feature a bunch of Klingons in the Enterprise engine room.