Opinion circa 1987: TNG is NOT Star Trek

Discussion in 'Star Trek: The Next Generation' started by Thomas Elliot, Mar 3, 2020.

  1. cooleddie74

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    Yep. Hypocritical was Gene all over.

    I love him, but the man was mostly hype and carefully-constructed public image during the 1970s and '80s. He was largely an artificial creation just like his franchise.
     
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  2. remember...

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    Star trek ended in 1969.after that everything else is a version of t.o.s
    Tng brought both.q.to the forefront as long as different versions have fresh ideas then it can be more then just a nostalgia trip.
     
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  3. Christopher

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    Everything else is a package delivery company?
     
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  4. cooleddie74

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    Well, FedEx me with a rusty power drill.
     
  5. Nerys Myk

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  6. Skipper

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    Well, it seems that some fans weren't happy that Mr Spock was replaced by a "blind character with robot eyes".
     
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  7. TimeIsAPredator

    TimeIsAPredator Commodore Commodore

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    Patrick Stewart unknown :guffaw:
     
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  8. Christopher

    Christopher Writer Admiral

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    A reminder that they not only had purist fans back then, but sensationalist journalism as well.
     
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  9. TimeIsAPredator

    TimeIsAPredator Commodore Commodore

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    We should look up Shirley Milewski of International Trek Fans and see how she feels about TNG in retrospect
     
  10. Orphalesion

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    I mean yeah, people hating change is nothing new.
     
  11. Mytran

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    Different = BAD
     
  12. Jadeb

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    Die-hard fan Ruth wasn't wrong. They've never come up with a better mix of characters than the TOS crew.
     
  13. TimeIsAPredator

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    And surely "it's trek Jim but not as we know it" would be a better title. Lazy journalism

    And if the reaction in this article was that bad imagine when they reveal Worf
     
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  14. Qonundrum

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    "Levar Burton - The New Spock" :eek: (especially with Brent Spiner's giveaway of "Commander Data" except it's not a sci-fi parody where the token nerd is called "Data" as pejorative slang...)

    And where oh where did Frakes get that hair? :guffaw:
     
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  15. Qonundrum

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    That depends on the actual type of change?
     
  16. Orphalesion

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    I dunno there seems to almost always be a group of people who hates change.

    I know, however did they get that idea? Also according to that....let's be very, very generous and call it an "article", almost everybody on the Enterprise D is a commander. Commander Yar, Commander Data, everyone.

    Also it makes me wonder...did people really expect the cast of TOS to return for a new TV show?
    I'm not gonna even address the silliness of the TOS cast being "perfect", that's just individual preference and quite possibly nostalgia tainted glasses, just like somebody preferring a particular X-Men, Titans or Justice League lineup.
     
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  17. Ryan Thomas Riddle

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    This.

    Gene believed in his own press too much. Press he helped to create.
     
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  18. Christopher

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    Sure they did. No weirder than the expectations fans today tend to have.
     
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  19. Qonundrum

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    Some people might have - for the nostalgia factor. But at the time the makers wanted a younger crew, thinking forward and expanding the franchise. Even Gene was against Romulans being used as a crutch for the show because of their popularity (despite being in only 2 episodes) as he wanted the show to go outward (and fix some of the issues he felt hurt TOS, like having no ready room, Captain beaming down into danger every week, etc).

    Again, it is types of change - the details of the change can be more intriguing and be the impetus for a like or dislike of the change. New characters vs established ones. How is growth or development defined. Heck, and this just occurred to me, do the actors even like their roles from week to week depending on what gets changed to be filmed? There's always a group, it's just not always the ones we're expecting?

    I do recall kids mocking leaked news for Star Trek IV in saying how Kirk would find a TARDIS or DeLorean... I didn't believe they were going to do a time travel story so I shrugged it off. I was also a year too early and in the wrong place to get the now decades-outdated scoop for a lot of early TNG, apart from my own takes at the time... Most of us in AV and electronics clubs were more into ubernerdy Dr Who anyhow. But I digress--

    So even back then they disliked change (or thought sci-fi was for the nerds and geeks.) I adored IV at the time, but it's so entwined with 1986 lifestyle that it's dated horrendously for the most part. The line about money contradicts a number of TOS episodes and is also used as a joke too. And at least they made their own punk song and made it felt authentic to the punk subculture. So many movies try to do the same thing, make something in the spirit of a style and it falls flat at best...

    But for TNG I wasn't anywhere near the folks who said "Data was the most human character on the ship" and/or "the blind guy piloting ship, har har". There was a a fair amount of derision at the time. Granted, I did succumb an equation of Data as "Oh, Spock trope" at the time. And yet I wasn't there with the crowd screeching over Pulaski being a McCoy clone (even I could tell she had differences in character attributes. And where were those screechers when VOY's EMH came about? There's a McCoy clone, right down to catchphrase dialogue.)
     
  20. TimeIsAPredator

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    The blind guy flying the ship is actually a really sweet story about a real blind kid Gene met who's dream was to fly the enterprise