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The guy who has more viewers than 'Star Trek: Picard' is just some guy on youtube? (note: I'm waiting for CBS to confirm the numbers on this).
It's kinda like this. When someone gets punched in the stomach they think "this is terrible", when they get stabbed in the stomach they think "no, THIS is terrible".
The movies and series both have similar problems though, actors in the writers room. Spiner worked on Nemesis and if anyone read Michael Pillar's making of Insurrection you'll see how much Stewart was involved in the story. Same goes for First Contact and wanting Die Hard in space. But he's the star. It's kinda a given. We wouldn't have got these movies or shows without them.
I don't think we can put all the blame on them though. I doubt Stewart came up with Picard's ultimate fate at the end of the series.
I don't get how anyone can possibly think PIC is worse than NEM. That's insane, IMO. The mindset is completely, totally, utterly foreign, from my point of view.
Nemesis and Picard are the clearest-cut example of the difference between night and day, or matter and anti-matter, I've ever seen. To put it lightly.
I guess that's the spice of life that makes things interesting. We're like Sisko and Dax stepping outside of the Runabout in "Emissary" and seeing completely opposite things in the Wormhole.
You should petition the admins to create a forum for the guy on YouTube then.
I can't argue with that. There are a lot of middle-aged guys who hate everything new and don't know when it's time to move on. So no surprise he'd get huge numbers (numbers which I refuse to contribute to, BTW). I'm thankful that upon turning 40 last summer, I wasn't magically cursed with this affliction that so many of my peers seem to have now.
But one thing I am grateful for is that in your hate-watching, so many of you have unintentionally contributed to the numbers Picard gets. I encourage all of you to continue to cut your nose to spite your face.
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That's quite a few bizarre arguments to fit into two lines.
People come here, predominently, because they already like or at least watch the show. Is the video going to suddenly make them realise the error of their ways? I wish I could ask that facetiously, but I have seen the likes of "Oh, you like First Contact? Haven't you seen the RLM video?"
The "hypocrisy" argument is utter nonsense. I watch the show because I find it entertaining. It does not logically follow that I must then watch a lengthy video of someone who I do not entertaining complaining about that show.
As for a brigade that does not allow differing opinions, watch how the RLM fans lap up the videos and attack anyone who expresses a liking for the series. The videos are classic examples of preaching to a choir.
Plandemic has more views than most Trek shows. That doesn't mean I ascribe it any value.
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So you won’t watch it, but you know that what he said equals “I hate anything new”.
Eh.. alright, I will!
I've watched some of his videos in the past. (EDIT: To clarify, before the CBS All Access era) That's how I know what he thought of Nemesis.
And I've seen comments about his more recent videos. So, from those comments, I can tell that he hasn't changed.
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Yeah, I use to watch those videos...then I realized it was just shitting on things for the sake of shitting on things. And I stopped taking it seriously. Youtube videos have become just noise when it comes to a lot of this stuff.
If you mean big great sugar daddy Plinkett...I think he just stands by what he said in Nem. The problem with Star Trek movies is that they can't be episodes stretched out, otherwise you get Insurrection. They can't be action shlock, cause that ain't what trek is. But what he, and maybe Doug, and maybe me want, are all different things tinted by different agendas and nostalgia. Heck I think my gripe with NuTrek et co+ often falls into 'this looks odd and the writing really needed to be double checked' than something more primal like Plinkett has, and I have no clue what Doug wants or has in this fight.
Okay, good.
I can't stand when people do a 180 and then suddenly VOY, ENT, and the last two TNG Movies are "golden" now in the wake of Star Trek from 2009 on. Whatever someone thinks of New Trek, it's not going to change what Old Trek was like toward the end.
Oh yea for sure. It's like Star Wars.
He was surprised when he read it and thought they're gonna wrote him out XD
Then he read how it continued and found it interesting.
One good example - ironically shown in the video itself: From 2016-2019 we were constantly bombarded by a continuous stream of news glurge about Trump, Brexit, Trump, Brexit, Trump, Brexit, Trump, Brexit. Society was dividing into factions and everyone hated each other. That seemed to be the worst it could get. Now, in 2020, we're living through The Event. Being called Nazis/traitors/gammons/enemies of the people online by your extended family doesn't seem too bad now, compared with having to wear a hazmat suit every time you go food shopping.
I can't find any data for RLM's viewer demographics, but I'd guess the average age skews well under 40. I've been watching them since mid-teens.
RLM gives plenty of positive reviews, including for '09 and Beyond.
Stoklasa asserted that the sequel trilogy is still better than the prequel trilogy and rejected any nostaglic re-evaluation of Eps I-III. Doug Walker is on the fence.
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Lol wtf? Plinkett's Trek reviews are some of the most popular Star Trek content on the entire internet. RLM are some of the most influential movie reviewers out there as well, with literal mainstream Hollywood figures talking about and sharing their reviews and even appearing on their shows, their reviews even having a direct impact on the Star Wars franchise.
Plinkett reviews were always allowed on TrekBBS, you can search them up, there are threads on them literally stretching back here a decade ago.
Just like /r/StarTrek, Plinkett reviews aren't allowed anymore because they actually explain why the writing on these new shows are atrocious on pretty much every conceivable level and they go into very heavy detail pointing out exactly why. I love how the defenders of these shows always cry that people aren't really giving them a fair shake and are just "blinded by nostalgia" but then when given actual detailed explanations as to why these new shows are just laughably terrible and are objectively terribly written, they then just ad hominem attack the source rather than actually address any criticism.
Interesting. Then he might like Strange New Worlds.
And interesting overall too. I liked the 2009 Film and Beyond well enough when I saw them in the theater, but haven't watched the 2009 Film in 10 years and have only ever seen Beyond (and Into Darkness) once.
Overall, then, I can't really say I'm a fan of the Kelvin Movies. Same with Star Wars. I've seen all the movies (except for the stand-alone with Solo). I like the original and sequel trilogies, not so much the prequel trilogy, but I was just an average movie-goer when it came to those films. If the Kelvin Films were modeled more after Star Wars, I can see why he might like them.
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I'm pretty sure he goes into everything with an open mind and a heightened sense of dread. He seemed fairly positive about Picard until he actually watched the show. In fandom terms I think most of us had the same feeling and were disappointed. It wasn't 'Logan', the movie that had inspired Stewart to come back.
They're allowed, they're just being grouped in one place, this thread. I can't see having a separate thread for every YouTube video that comes around. The people who like to post threads dedicated to them don't help the case by invariably providing virtually no discussion-starting opening post content beyond "watch this video".
In SF&F and TV & Media, the MO is for entire seasons of a TV show to be covered in one thread, rather than having per-episode threads. This is the same principle. Picard gets per-episode threads here. YouTube contributors don't.
I'd entertain the notion of having a separate thread dedicated to just Picard-related YouTube content, but any individual video threads would still get merged into that one thread.
Factually wrong.
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