Stargazer prequel series?

[Dukhat]

But would they go for an extrapolation of Disco style or just an enhanced movie era?

There’s no way CBS would have aped the movie era. But I would have been fine with a show that looks exactly like DSC but took place in 2330. The technology level would be far more believable to me than the 2250’s if one were trying to sell me on the idea that this is a prequel to TNG rather than a prequel to TOS.

 

[Tim Thomason]

There’s no way CBS would have aped the movie era. But I would have been fine with a show that looks exactly like DSC but took place in 2330. The technology level would be far more believable to me than the 2250’s if one were trying to sell me on the idea that this is a prequel to TNG rather than a prequel to TOS.

Yeah, but the 2330s or the 2250s are both pretty comparable in what we "knew" about them before Discovery aired. If Discovery aired with the exact same technology and most of the plot points, there would be people arguing about the costume changes (already established in multiple TNG flashbacks), how it doesn't jive with the era presented in Tapestry or Yesterday's Enterprise, how these ships never appeared in the TNG era, where are the Excelsiors?, why does TNG seem to be less advanced?, etc.

Would've been neat to bring in Alan Ruck at the end of Season 1. Captain Harriman has about the same level of fan service as Captain Pike (only one major canon appearance, a bunch of books that conflict with each other).

 

[Dukhat]

Yeah, but the 2330s or the 2250s are both pretty comparable in what we "knew" about them before Discovery aired. If Discovery aired with the exact same technology and most of the plot points, there would be people arguing about the costume changes (already established in multiple TNG flashbacks), how it doesn't jive with the era presented in Tapestry or Yesterday's Enterprise, how these ships never appeared in the TNG era, where are the Excelsiors?, why does TNG seem to be less advanced?, etc.

Would've been neat to bring in Alan Ruck at the end of Season 1. Captain Harriman has about the same level of fan service as Captain Pike (only one major canon appearance, a bunch of books that conflict with each other).

Uniforms: DSC even acknowledged that different ships have different uniforms. So ships like the Stargazer and the Enterprise-C could have the monster maroons, and other ships could have the Disco blues.

Ships: The DSC ships were already a hodgepodge of different designs with little cohesion between them. So setting the show in 2255 or 2330 would really make no difference. As to where all those ships went by the time of TNG? The Cardassian War conveniently takes care of that.

 

[Boris Skrbic]

I think they’d just enhance the ”not embarrassing” movie era (like they did the TNG era for PIC) because it’s so much more established and prominent in audience memory than the 2250s. Disco ships could reappear in the background along with hopefully new designs that fit in with the Excelsior- and Miranda classes.

 

[Lord Garth]

Yeah, but the 2330s or the 2250s are both pretty comparable in what we "knew" about them before Discovery aired. If Discovery aired with the exact same technology and most of the plot points, there would be people arguing about the costume changes (already established in multiple TNG flashbacks), how it doesn't jive with the era presented in Tapestry or Yesterday's Enterprise, how these ships never appeared in the TNG era, where are the Excelsiors?, why does TNG seem to be less advanced?, etc.

Would've been neat to bring in Alan Ruck at the end of Season 1. Captain Harriman has about the same level of fan service as Captain Pike (only one major canon appearance, a bunch of books that conflict with each other).

I think DSC blends in with TUC pretty well. I watched all the original movies next to Discovery, to see how well they would mesh. Outside of the Klingons, visually it looks like you can go from one to the other. The argument has never been whether or not DSC fits with the movies. It's always been about does it fit in with TOS itself.

Before I knew when DSC took place (at least in the first two seasons), I heard rumors that it took place between TUC and TNG. That's something I was looking forward to. It's an era we've barely seen, and it seemed like it would've been a compromise for people who want more TOS Trek and people who want more TNG Trek. Split the difference.

That's not the way they went, obviously. I liked the series as it was enough that it wasn't an issue for me. But "10 years before TOS" wouldn't have been my first choice.

It doesn't matter now, though. In the year 3187, when they came from before isn't going to make any meaningful difference. Discovery comes from a time when the Federation was still intact and Starfleet was still Starfleet. When exactly it took place in relation to the other series has effectively become besides the point.

 

[Dukhat]

Before I knew when DSC took place (at least in the first two seasons), I heard rumors that it took place between TUC and TNG. That's something I was looking forward to. It's an era we've barely seen, and it seemed like it would've been a compromise for people who want more TOS Trek and people who want more TNG Trek. Split the difference.

I remember that rumor as well. IIRC, it was Nicholas Meyer who mentioned something to the effect of 'what if a new show dealt with the political consequences of something like what happened at the end of TUC?' Making it sound like it would be a continuation of TUC post-2293. I think that was actually the first rumor that dealt with when exactly the show would take place, before the anthology rumor started, and then the actual time period being set.

 

[Nerys Myk]

Wouldn't interest me I'm afraid. The problem with prequels is we already know what will happen in the end, unless there's time travel shenanigans or retcons meaning it isn't a true prequel to events of TNG and risks tainting the original series it is based upon.

Rather than a Section 31 series or a prequel that is reliant on nostalgia and other people's ideas to prop it up, I'd much rather a completely different setting and new characters.

Not really the same. You can tell individual stories because we don't know whether the character (usually fictional), survives the story. You're not painted into a corner on personal events except for a handful of people. And it totally discounts how much mileage one can get out of alternate history.

Alternate timeline Stargazer series? Sure. More "Prime" timeline nonsense? No thanks.

The Clone Wars does a pretty good job even though we know the fates of the majority of the main characters.

 

[Boris Skrbic]

Yeah, I mean who is to say that the Traveler’s people didn’t genetically modify Wesley in preparation for a mysterious scenario that won’t be played out in full until PIC Season 3, leading to a final confrontation deciding… the fate of the galaxy? And then it turns out Jack Crusher himself died when he found out, in a staged “accident” no less?

I’m afraid the current regime would just have to go with a broad-strokes conspiracy like this rather than settle for exploring familiar characters in their younger days, showing unexpected traits and evolution towards TNG as the ship goes on adventures that are mostly exploration and need not be tied into just about everything we can look up about the era.

 

[F. King Daniel]

Although Picard can't meet him for continuity reasons, The Traveller being friends with Jack Crusher is a pretty cool idea. Perhaps some of what he saw in Wesley is in Jack.

 

[Boris Skrbic]

Although Picard can't meet him for continuity reasons, The Traveller being friends with Jack Crusher is a pretty cool idea. Perhaps some of what he saw in Wesley is in Jack.

The Traveler can shapeshift so that’s not a problem, but the idea here is to wedge in a derivative ulterior motive, such as preparing Wesley to be the savior of the universe in PIC Season 3. Everything should be connected in a grand conspiracy.

 

[Qonundrum]

No more prequels, thanks.

^^this.

There are no questions needing answering in such a prequel, and if experts can't get characters right in existing shows then nobody can. To say nothing of actors being shoehorned in. They might get some fantastic actors but if they can't get the tone right... what will they do for a Stargazer series anyway, have more corrupt and/or annoying admirals like the latter half of TNG had when it ran out of creativity? Followed by more of the same in INS?! This is all Trek has to offer anymore, re-used plot fodder laced with excessive compensation syndrome-induced profanity?

Also, after DSC and PIC, the phrase "small universe syndrome fatigue" has really set in.

Speaking of small universe syndrome, maybe it's for the best they're devolving humanity:

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(the first 23 seconds say it all... then it goes on to mop the floor with what the franchise is now being seen as. As well as a few moments from other unexpected times too. Still, 3 incidents in a decade (which were arguably bad enough) vs exponentially more incidents in a dozen episodes... )

 

[JayTheTrekkie]

Would be nice if there was to be a Stargazer prequel but no.....it would need a lot of seasons to cover the 23 years gap (unless they did flashbacks for the earlier years of his command depending where the prequel startsof Picard's command on the Stargazer.

 

[The Wormhole]

Would be nice if there was to be a Stargazer prequel but no.....it would need a lot of seasons to cover the 23 years gap (unless they did flashbacks for the earlier years of his command depending where the prequel startsof Picard's command on the Stargazer.

There's no reason it would need to cover the entire time Picard commanded the Stargazer. TOS only covers three of the five years Kirk commanded the Enterprise, and the Enterprise had a twenty year history before he took command. Pike commanded the Enterprise for ten years, but the upcoming Strange New Worlds isn't going to cover that entire period. Hell, even the series Enterprise only covers four of the ten years the NX-01 was in service.

 

[Admiral Jean-Luc Picard]

First, I want a 2020 vision of the future over something that perfectly fits in Trek canon. Allow for scientific and technological advances and understanding, while maintaining the "look," characters, and storyline of Star Trek. This is why I'm down with the visual updates so long as mostly everything else fits.

I would love to see a Stargazer series. Start off with the show about the Captain, and have Picard work his way from lowly bridge reliefe officer toward command, becoming the main character when the captain is killed.

If the show lasted long enough, end it with the Stargazer being abandoned at the Battle of Maixma.