Under Bryan Fuller the Discovery was going to disguise itself as a D7?

[FederationHistorian]

And who’s to say that those ships weren’t around during Archer’s time? We do know that Klingons ships tend to be around for at least a century.

And there was a mention from Vulcan Ambassador Tos that if he hadn't negotiated the return of Klaang to Qo’noS, a squadron of Klingon Warbirds would have been sent to Earth in the series premiere of ENT. So, the Klingon Warbirds were intended to be around during the time of ENT; we just never got the chance to see them onscreen during the show when it aired.

 

[Timo]

Here’s the difference, IMHO: the DSC producers didn’t take concept art of the Enterprise-E from First Contact, made minor modifications to the design, and then unveiled it as a ship built ten years before TOS.

Nor in the case at hand: Jaeger used in a 2250s timeframe a ship Eaves had designed for use in a 2150s timeframe, with little indication that it would have been old in the latter or new in the former. So it's a good two or three decades less severe a case at least.

And there is a pre-existing precedent for design attributes for that particular era: the TOS Enterprise and other TOS-styled designs from TAS.

Although DSC casts serious doubt at that, basically suggesting that the TOS ship with its round nacelles and metal finish (and, by apparent extension, all the related TAS civilian-logistical junk) is in fact a 2150s design that's still viable a century later even though the rest of the fleet has moved on. Not unlike a certain Klingon design.

Timo Saloniemi

 

[Dukhat]

Nor in the case at hand: Jaeger used in a 2250s timeframe a ship Eaves had designed for use in a 2150s timeframe, with little indication that it would have been old in the latter or new in the former. So it's a good two or three decades less severe a case at least.

Except Jaeger's finished product bears little resemblance to the 2150's ship.

 

[Timo]

And? Eaves' ship apparently wouldn't have retained its girders when offered for the 2009 movie, either. That's the "dusting off" part, at which Eaves excels, possibly reacting to feedback or something, so that his ships nowadays do change when necessary.

Timo Saloniemi

 

[Dukhat]

And?

And it shows that Jaeger knew the 2150's ship was only a baseline that wouldn't fly as it was. He might as well have used the TOS D7 as the baseline for all the difference his design had over Eaves's.

 

[Timo]

But again, we have no reason to think Eaves would have offered an identifiably ENT-style ship for the 2009 movie; removing the non-generic elements would be what he always engages in when re-offering his work.

It's just that

a) some of it is so generic that there's nothing to be removed - say, the PIC Martian shuttle would fit in any era from ENT to, well, PIC, give or take a bit of "postproduction" engine glow

b) most environments don't have any predefined era feel when Eaves pitches - and DSC was an extreme, unexpected and perhaps unwelcome case of that, yet the 2009 movie also defied expectations even if with explicit justification of a timeline branch decades before

c) Eaves is blind to his nacelles - but with Klingons, that doesn't matter much

Timo Saloniemi

 

[FederationHistorian]

DSC was an extreme, unexpected and perhaps unwelcome case of that

It might be seen as useful one day, with the period between ENT and TOS being seen as a kind of medieval period in space. I can understand why the producers made the Klingons the way they did. They just haven’t given any in show reasons for the aesthetic changes or a throwaway line how the Augment virus unlocked long repressed Klingon creativity.

 

[Timo]

Well, with DSC we got a Klingon point of view. ENT never gave that, so our take on Klingon aesthetics is a necessarily narrow one.

OTOH, the Binaries Starfleet is a great example of diversity that suggests generations of ships working side by side - something we see time and again in Starfleet, in the Wolf 359 graveyard (although only with extensive backstage support), and later in the big DS9 fights, but never quite so extensively. And then they all have the same nacelle design... An interesting contrast indeed.

Timo Saloniemi

 

[fireproof78]

It might be seen as useful one day, with the period between ENT and TOS being seen as a kind of medieval period in space. I can understand why the producers made the Klingons the way they did. They just haven’t given any in show reasons for the aesthetic changes or a throwaway line how the Augment virus unlocked long repressed Klingon creativity.

There's no need for it.

 

[Tuskin38]

I believe it’s mentioned in dialogue that the ISS Discovery did not have a spore drive.

You're correct.